

By TONY MOBILIFONITIS
AT the time of this article being written, the three remaining units in 1680 megawatt Liddell Power station near Musswellbrook, NSW, were due to be turned off in just 14 days as autumn and winter set in.
Last winter, during a low-wind deep freeze, the Australian east coast suffered blackouts and energy shortages, but this year we will face winter with an estimated 1200MW less capacity – the remaining official Liddell feed in.
In fact Liddell had 2000MW capacity before one generator was shut down last year. It is one of the 24 so-called “dirty” power stations in Australia that keep our cities and towns functional – especially during those peak-load periods at the start and end of working days when stoves, heaters, coolers, TVs, computers, fridges, factory tools and numerous other things we take for granted fire up or shut down.
The new Labor NSW Energy Minister Penny Sharpe admitted to the Daily Telegraph that “NSW is facing serious energy challenges in coming years”. That’s because the previous NSW Liberal Environment Minister Matt Keane, like other dizzy-headed greenie politicians around Australia, was all for cutting off reinvestment in coal and running Liddell into the ground. South Australia’s lefty loonies led the way by shutting down and demolishing their three coal fired plants by 2017.
While trumpeting their wind and solar farms and Tesla battery, South Australia suffered serious blackouts in 2016 that ruined millions of dollars worth of chilled and frozen food. Power prices rocketed, making some manufacturing like plastics recycling uneconomic. Even then, the state was still heavily reliant on natural gas and diesel generators providing 1816MW for general supply.
As the live Australian energy generation chart at 7.17am EST shows, South Australia was running mostly on gas at sunrise on April 13, with windy conditions providing some 290MW from the state’s large wind farms.
Victoria plans to shut their giant Loy Yang A and B stations by 2032 and as we previously reported, the state with the biggest gas reserves is strangling that supply by bowing to the lunacy of Bandt and his Greens and causing consumer prices to skyrocket.
There are now 79 operating solar farms spread out across Australia with 22 more under construction. These 79 locations provide only 12% of the renewable energy supply when working, while only 24 “dirty coal” power stations supply 71% of Australia’s electricity supply, regardless of weather and time of day. In 2021 so-called renewables, which include hydro and rooftop solar, supplied 29% of Australia’s total generation.
On April 11th at about 7.45am, according to the live supply and demand figures, NSW coal and gas provided 5344MW of the state’s generation (4948 + 396), while wind provided 417MW and solar 386MW. Therefore wind and solar provided 15.02% of the state’s generation during the autumn morning peak hour in fine conditions. The solar share increased rapidly with the morning progressing – again, depending on weather conditions. Two days later around 7.30am, that same calculation was 14.35% from wind, hydro and solar.
On a rough estimate, it would take three times the present number of solar farms spread across Australia to provide just 36% of current renewable generation. In 2019, all of the 16 operating solar farms then operating across NSW provided in total just over half of the output of Liddell’s 2000MW. So when Liddell goes offline in a couple of weeks, this system is going to be seriously tested.
In fact, without gas, renewable energy would not be viable. Gas plants, which fire up much more quickly than coal, are essential to fill the gaps in a system with large amounts of wind and solar generation.
Yes, Australians get a pretty good supply of solar during the day – sometimes excessive amounts. But all that changes when the sun goes down or wind fades or wet weather sets in. Current battery technology is not able to store this energy at sufficient levels to replace coal and gas.
Built in 1971 for the NSW Electricity Commission, Liddell is Australia’s oldest and third biggest coal-fired power station. It was swallowed up in 1996 by Macquarie Generation, owned by AGL. In September 2014 the NSW government sold Liddell and its share of Macquarie Generation to AGL Energy.
When AGL announced it would close Liddell, then PM Malcolm Turnbull had enough sense to point out that its closure would leave a 1000MW gap in Australia’s generating capacity and urged it be kept open longer. AGL, driven by its largest shareholder Mike Cannon-Brookes, a committed greenie and very rich tech head, compromised and closed only one of the four generation units in 2022.
According to a government energy website, fossil fuels contributed 71% of total electricity generation in 2021, including coal (51%), gas (18%) and oil (2%). “The share of coal in the electricity mix has continued to decline, in contrast to the beginning of the century when coal’s share was more than 80% of electricity generation,” the website states. Note that it took 21 years for fossil fuel supply to decline only 9%.
What it doesn’t state is that the inroads made by renewables – 29% of total electricity generation in 2021 – was forced by (i) massive incentives paid to wind and solar investors (ii) disincentives to maintain coal fired generation and (iii) constant demonisation of coal via the big climate crisis lie.
What it also doesn’t mention is that the 29% of renewable generation is unpredictable and therefore is a lower quality of supply with wild price fluctuations. It also requires massive and costly amounts of new power infrastructure including transmission lines and batteries to link the dispersed elements of a renewable network as opposed to centralised coal-fired stations suppling state networks.
Increasing renewables has the additional effect of disrupting existing coal-fired power supply, making it more expensive, hence the soaring cost of electricity to homes and businesses. Of the total renewable supply, solar is 12%, wind 10% and hydro 6%. The share of renewable energy generation increased sharply from 24% in 2020.
Cannon-Brookes of AGL, said to be Australian’s wealthiest man due to his Atlassian tech company, harbours the delusion that AGL can deliver the “lowest priced electricity in the world” by going “net zero”. In other words, an energy supply completely devoid of coal, gas, oil and diesel. Only nuclear, with equivalent energy density to fossil fuels can provide that.
An energy system reliant on a network of wind and solar farms scattered across the country and offshore will only work when battery technology is able to store and provide the same or better volumes of energy currently supplied by fossil fuels.
my appologies for the typo.
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aapkoning,
I don’t doubt that your beutifully crafted and polished university education will ensure that you are right. BUT YOU’RE NIT PICKING.
When people talk about cars, they are not specifically talking about big ends, or 2 valves versus four. Thet’re talking about the whole car..
as to whether or not
Similarly when folks talk about solar panels, they’re not talking about billions of electrons running round having a good time, they’re talking about a PANEL.
As to whether or not micro inverters are practical or not in, your opinion, let me tell you, my insurance company expressly referred to panels outputting 240volt AC, wanting to know if I had those because it made a difference to the premium.
So get off of the grass, and in case you havent noticed, as a country we have MUCH bigger worries that that.
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Brian Johnston, G’day please read my reply to Old Kodger above. If you like, want me to reply re some of your questions please use my above email address. I’m running late today… Regards…
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old kodger, As promised – here my reply.
Old Kodger,
Reference going back to my reply: ” WRONG — PV solar does NOT produce 50 Hertz. PERIOD… PV solar does produce a Direct Current and needs to be inverted to a Sine wave – modified Sine wave at 50 Hertz to be of any use…”
Then you basically replied: “Part your Quote: “Well, that might not be entirely true, the very latest panels, as I comprehend it, have micro inverters on the panel (each one in business for itself), so they do actually produce 240 volts AC on every panel. Unquote.”
My reply: Solar cells = Photovoltaic cells = PV in short, “The cells are the most important elements of the solar panel. They are semiconductor elements capable of generating electricity from solar radiation. These PV cells are interconnected in rows and columns, by groups of 30, 33, 36, 60, 72, or 96 depending on size and the power target to be achieved. Many proprietary configurations are designed primarily for customised applications. Space, Marine, Medical, Military.
Technically each solar cell is about .58 volts DC.
So if we have 60 cells, 60x.58V=34.80V DC.
If we have 30 cells, 30x.58=17.4V DC, a PV module with 30 cells is ideal to charge a simple 100 amp/h lead acid battery without any regulator. The first patent was registered by Arco Solar back in the early seventies. First researched by the NATO communication squadrons back in the sixties. This solar module could easily produce, say 3 amps (=I= direct current) at the charging load required for a lead acid battery with a voltage of 12.6 V DC nominal up 14.80V dropping back to maintaining 14.40V DC. In watts, this means VxI=W – 12.6Vx3amps=37.80Watts.
The power available – the current (I in amps) is dependent on the square area of the cell and of course, the number of photons striking the cell. At mid-day we could easily archive, 100 mW/cm² = 1000 W/cm², also the radiation striking the cell could be increased, by tracking the sun, and or mirrors.
Pending the matching* of the cells (if any*) again we have a 34.80V open circuit with no load! If full solar input (density of Photons)(1000Watts M²) we could get in theory 1000 watts, if we have a 1M² area of cells. But silicon cells are limited and old technology and maybe 10% to say up to 24% in efficiency factor, above 20% is not generally available. When solar cells are manufactured like all solid-state devices some % have higher efficiency factors. And again across the cells P-N junction DC voltage is .58V – Much like a silicon diode, here again, DC. Matching solar cells is advisable.
Now back to your comment: “Part your Quote: “Well, that might not be entirely true, the very latest panels, as I comprehend it, have micro inverters on the panel (each one in business for itself), so they do actually produce 240 volts AC on every panel. Unquote.”
Just imagine what needs to be done to get AC from DC…?
Basically, to get AC from DC, you need to switch the DC on and off to get AC, (alternating current) in place of a direct current.
Yes in practice you could design a DC to AC inverter for each module – alternatively each cell, but this is totally the opposite of the Keep It Simple Stupid.
And totally impractical.
“Design-wise it could be done,” but too many parts are required,
and in the final K I S S = is the best way to go! “Simplicity is the name of the game…” That has been my motto since (1963) being involved in Research regarding various fields of electronics/microelectronics and its applications.
As I mentioned before: “In regards to alternative energy (Including Solar – PV) the amount of BS has been growing so much over the last 70 years it is not funny. If the politicians in various European countries would have listened to the PV research engineers – they now would not be in severe shit…”
Last but not least, any real questions could be answered, (because Cairns News is not the platform to be used that way.) using my email address, ApenKing@pm.me
By the way, any question people ask is always good because it shows people think by themself. Regards, aapkoning…
Regarding any figures supplied and statements made, (which are basically only for this exercise/explanation,) they are all variable pending usage/application, and any mistakes and/or typing errors, are not planned and I cannot be held responsible for any negative effects… *********************************
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We believe the Weipa solar was funded with a grant but will check. Rio uses vast amounts of its own electricity at its Weipa plant,
then there is East Weipa, Andoom and Amrun pits all running on diesel which comes in by barge. Rio also reticulates its power throughout the township of about 3000 administered by the Weipa Town Authority. The solar plants are not large in comparison to many others in the south. Ed
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old kodger, Thanks for your comments. Old Kodger – your stand alone system as is – is BEST for you stick to it!!! You are the only one who can turn the system ON or OFF… And NOT some smart meter…
Further,
“Don’t get involved with smart meters.” My professional advise… Again Period…
I will get back to you before the end of this weekend. In regards to alternative energy (Including Solar – PV) the amount of BS has been growing so much over the last 70 years it is not funny. If the politicians in various European countries would have listened to the PV research engineers – they now would not be in severe shit… And yes I do know my PV capabilities and its applications. I first became a PV researcher back in 1963 during my military service and member of the German and Dutch solar research institutes. I was involved in the First large-scale PV grid synchronized systems (Up to 10 Mega Watts) back in the early seventies, (Carissa Plains project) From Atlantic Richfield and Arco Solar. I also helped the Capricornia Institute Rockhampton (QLD) to get started in PV curriculum the early eighties.
This is all for today… Thanks for your patience.
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To aapkoning. Weipa mine in Qld Rio Tinto? has a mine and a village off grid.
Diesel powered
A large PV solar farm has gone in to save on diesel. I believe all funded by the government. I do not know terms of the deal.
The PV solar will work because it is off grid and does not need to synchronise with a grid.
What is the bet the gov pays for the solar and Weipa pocket the savings.
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Brian Johnston, Thanks for your comments.
I will get back to you before the end of this weekend. In regards to alternative energy (Including Solar – PV) the amount of BS has been growing so much over the last 70 years it is not funny. If the politicians in various European countries would have listened to the PV research engineers – they now would not be in severe shit… And yes I do know my PV capabilities and its applications. I first became a PV researcher back in 1963 during my military service and member of the German and Dutch solar research institutes. I was involved in the First large-scale PV grid synchronized systems (Up to 10 Mega Watts) back in the early seventies, (Carissa Plains project) From Atlantic Richfield and Arco Solar. I also helped the Capricornia Institute (QLD) to get started in the early eighties. This is all for today… Thanks for your patience.
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aapkoning
“WRONG — PV solar does NOT produce 50 Hertz. PERIOD…”
Well, that might not be entirely true, the very latest panels, as I comprehend it, have micro inverters on the panel (each one in business for itself), so they do actually produce 240 volts AC on every panel.I wouldn’t touch them with a tarry rope, if for no other reason than “they” will tell you that you then need a licensed electrician to work on them. Like the stupid battery rule: –
I can change batteries on my truck, a 24volt system, for myself, but if I adhere to “the rules” I have to get some drongo with a license to change batteries on my solar system. The difference? My truck is on wheels!
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To aapkoning. You are correct. I was not attempting to explain how it works down to finer detail rather to explain how things are going wrong. The main point being the fraud.
Solar panels are something like 5 volts dc which pass through an inverter to produce 230 volts ac. This of course raises the question. How and is the inverter energy synchronised with the grid energy.
It is possibly desirable to fit a second element to all water waters. The PV solar could then supply a dedicated element.
I am aware of an engineer who has a PV solar panel/s connected directly two a second element to provide a continuous trickle power supply. No inverter.
Thanks for the support.
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wontbedenied: privatization, another scam, really it should read privatize profits socialize losses.
One of the better examples was the deal struck by the QLD govt in 2008. Premier Bligh effectively gifted 16 hectares of land sitting under Qld Children’s Hospital to the Mater Hospital as part of a deal to move the QCH to MH grounds. The deal included offering the MH Board the option to buy the land for $1 after 60 years. Sweet.
My memory of the QF privatization flop was someone in the US negotiating team forgot about the International Dateline time change and attempted to seal the deal after the deadline passed. A day late, whoops.
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I have an electrical engineer friend who has Fluke 43B meter connected to a power outlet in his home. 3 pin plug connection. It measures and registers total harmonic distortion THD at up to 90% or more.
i have not read the accompanying user manual though I believe the calculation is to halve the reading to 45% and that gives an idea of how much a consumer is being overcharged by having unwanted harmonics added to their power bills.
The average overcharging is likely to be around 30%.
This can all be rectified by fitting a 50 hertz band pass filter to every smart meter.
The fraud must be exposed, the filter fitted and compensation ought to be paid for all historical overcharging.
Courts should then decide if charges ought to be laid.
I would like to see additional opinion.
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Thanks Brian we have published similar accounts in the past and we know their Asynchronous power is incompatible with normal
supplies. Malcolm Roberts has been plugging away at this for some years. Ed
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old kodger, “Pretty good old kodger, my respect…”
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Brian Johnston,
Your Quote: “PV solar does produce 50 hertz energy and is ideal for rooftop use to provide energy for oneself as in supplying energy to heat a water cylinder.”
WRONG — PV solar does NOT produce 50 Hertz. PERIOD…
PV solar does produce a Direct Current and needs to be inverted to a Sine wave – modified Sine wave at 50 Hertz to be of any use…
However I still like your overall comments – rather good – well done…Brian…
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Hay old kodger,
Good on ya for being off grid mate, im from the central highlands in Vic. and work in the building industry, ive been involved with a lot of off grid stuff and believe you me around Daylesford and Bullarto it gets really cold in winter, what people are using are heat pumps, its amazing the amount of heat that can come out of cold air, there are hot water service units that have heat pumps built into them as well and very cheap to run if connected to the grid, and nil $ off grid.
I was going to build at Rocklyn ( thats a long story for another day Hepburn shire planning dept nuf said ) it gets cold there in winter, snow sometimes I was going to opt for hydronic slab heating connected to two heat pumps, solar pv array, lead acid batteries ( im with you on the lithium ones they are a bomb if they get to hot) and a diesel generator back up happy days. In Daylesford there is also a house that is heated via geo thermal they sunk 3 holes each 65 metres deep the water that comes back is pretty hot they are running hydronic slab heat as well as general house hold hot water, so there are options they arn’t cheap though but hay anything to kick these corporate jerks in the teeth they deserve it.
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Good advice Old Kodger, Ed
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My late Grandfather was a man who loved his politics…..not enough to actually do anything about the likes of Whitlam, Kerr, Frasier, Hawke or any other weasel, but he did love to whinge…..typical Pom some might say;
One of his biggest warnings disguised as a whinge (to me) was The Privatisation that was occurring in Australia at the time; He said it would be “the ruination of Australia, infrastructure will turn to shit and us stupid bastards will have to pay more tax”;
Public paid for and owned ASSETS were being (unlawfully) sold from under The People and turned into Public LIABILITIES;
Corporations now reaped any profits from the supply of what the public purse built, but, and here’s the kick in the guts while ya down, The Australian Taxpayer (fools we are) still pays for shortfalls in the system; The Corporations have raped all they can from a a very tired, aging and dilapidated energy supply system and have not invested in creating new infrastructure……all they do is replace anything that breaks; That breakage is (usually) declared an “emergency” and thus the “Government” pays for rectifying the declared emergency in a timely manner; All Rewards and No effort required;
The only “asset” that the public jumped up n down about when it was being considered for sale was “The Flying Kangaroo”, and GovCo listened; Wonder why GovCo listened to the Will of The People on what is proving to be a very rare, indeed costly “public owned” dud of a business;
Driven into the ground, the “Flying Rainbow Warrior” now costs the taxpayer to stay in the air even with most of the fleet now maintained overseas….The flying white elephant keeps on reaping reward for GovCo even when it is barely viable as a business; It doesn’t have much of a customer base BUT it does have 19 odd million taxpayers propping it up; Ka-ching baby!
Had enough of being screwed without permission or even any lubricant yet Australia?
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daviddd2, right you are. It’s all out in the open now. While it’s a bank calling for forceable seizures in the USA, in NZ it’s the gov. Environmental planning laws are changing later this year, apparently to accelerate the 15 min smart city feudal system. And just like Chase Bank, the NZ gov are blaming CC.
The Orwellian words in the new legislation are ‘managed retreat’, ie forceable removal of private homeowners from areas deemed too dangerous. Really, coastal zones would be less dangerous if the NATO Weather Modification Team stopped spraying the crap out of the skies. Rhetorical question: who will live on the coast when the smart city prison system is up and running”?
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Privatising our essential services and public utilities must rate as one of the smartest things we Aussies allowed to happen, right?
Now we’ll be able to eat frankenfood sht and freeze to death in the dark. Assuming we get enough water from the overseas “water rights” investors.
Aussie, Aussie, Aussie… Oi Oi, Oi Vey! How low we’ve fallen.
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No worries! The Money Changers are coming to our rescue.
“Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase, one of the largest banks in the U.S., is advocating for the forceable seizure of American land. In an annual shareholder’s letter, he advised that seizing private property might help the U.S. cope with the climate crises.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/jp-morgan-ceo-recommends-taking-private-land-from-americans-to-accelerate-green-energy-policies/
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I know that this is an insular comment, BUT, I saw the writing on the wall several years ago and spent what for me was a not inconsiderable amount of money ( I’m an unfunded pensioner). I bought second hand PV’s and at first second hand batteries just to get my system off of the ground.
I’m off grid I have 6.5kw of panels, (the old ones, still running)I now have nice new batteries (lead acid, I wouldn’t touch these new lithium bombs). I run a household and a small metal working workshop, and the cost of diesel I buy would not even register on a survey of the bills I would have got had I not “converted”.
An example: – I used to have an electric hot water system, I cannot recall how much electricity (cost) it used, but within the conversion to off grid, I dumped it. What I DO know is that the electricity company charged me $85 a quarter JUST FOR THE METER. I bought an lpg gas water heater, new $400, one 9kg gas bottle lasts 9 months, that was 4 years ago.
If you want to be unconcerned about the energy situation get off of the grid.
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This is the moronic situation when we listen to the “profit only incentive” galahs that have been allowed to manage the World’s systems for so many years, to their own benefit.
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As creepy Bill would say, “sadly” (though he never actually means it), we’re going to have to feel the pain before the light eventually switches on (metaphorically speaking) and the shit gets shovelled out of the heads these shit-for-brains Greenie cultists.
Even that might not be enough. Millions of unemployed starving and freezing Australians may be insufficient to satisfy the evangelical Greenie psychopathic bloodlust.
My advice to ALL these idiotic clowns pushing to de-carbonize the planet is – just go and kill yourselves (instead of everyone else). Two birds killed with one stone, so to speak. Problem solved.
Like fat people blocking the sidewalk, there’s no getting around it (apologies to Stewart Francis).
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I do not know who authored this story. He clearly does not understand electricity generation and should have stayed away from the subject.
The first major error is to write from the point of view wind and solar do function that is to take their functioning as a given. To assume.
if the author knew his subject he would know wind turbines are useless and solar has limitations. We are faced with a very serious situation.
Wind turbines cannot produce the essential and legally required 50 hertz energy. The very energy required for our homes and factories. A wind turbine, a wind farm, cannot boil a jug, besides wind turbines are Asynchronous. Wind turbines do produce useless and dangerous harmonics which through smart meters are fraudulently added to consumers power accounts hence the reason consumers complained of rising energy costs after the smart meter was installed. The old black analogue meter could not register unwanted harmonics.
Wind turbines do not produce more energy the faster they spin, that is not how electricity is generated. For example a hydro or coal fired power station generator is required by law to operate at a fixed speed and to produce an exact 50 hertz.
All generators on a grid must produce the exact same 50 hertz at the exact same time as required by law thus we refer to a Synchronous grid.
The ‘dangerous’ component is the rising earth voltages which has led to loss of life in humans and livestock.
I am aware of a plumber who was electrocuted years ago as the result of Asynchronous generation.
There is a report of livestock dying in France.
There is a report of broken ankles at the Antarctic when the earthing system acted as an element and melted snow.
PV solar does produce 50 hertz energy and is ideal for rooftop use to provide energy for oneself as in supplying energy to heat a water cylinder. Rooftop PV solar does not have the capacity, the oomph to enter the grid. Think of it as a person leaving their property in a car, a mini car, at the same time a truck, a Kenworth truck is entering the property. The car goes nowhere.
I recently asked an electrician who installs PV solar how the energy enters the grid, his reply was, he hadn’t thought about it. Bizarre.
It would appear that when a consumer receives a fed in tariff they are merely feeding their own energy through the meter and paying to receive their own energy at a discounted price which of course suggests fraud? Trickery involved? Further explanation may be required.
Is there a reader out there who has gone on holiday for an extended period and who upon their return received a credit for all the energy they ‘supplied into the grid’ while they were away?
I am expecting the Australian grid to catch up with South Africa, that is, to experience rolling outages. You have been warned.
I believe South Australia dynamiting their coal fired plants committed an illegal act which will become obvious in the not to distant future.
The reason why much of this has gone undetected is that an electricity grid has connected, surplus generation, termed spinning reserve, so if there is a fault there is no outage, it is business as usual. The reserve must be at least equal to the largest generator or more.
Wind turbine output is not calculated using a meter, there is nothing to measure. Wind turbine and solar farm output is calculated using the name plate data. As wind turbines and solar farms are connected to the grid spinning reserve is shut down thus when a fault occurs with no reserve the outcome can only result is an outage which is set to get worse and become more frequent.
Darkness ahead.
Could Cairns News contact me direct for an in depth discussion?
Could Cairns News contact Suitably Qualified electricity generation engineers in Australia for additional opinion.
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The really big wind farms in the oceans or near them are responsible for killing lots of whales and dolphins. They are beaching themselves in record numbers. You will not see that on the news. The makers of these larger wind farms deny that they are responsible for the deaths.
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After reading where our energy generation systems are in NSW, I just shake my head in disbelief. So, where we are situated with Liddell Power Station closing, we are in for bad times ahead. All due to a State Government (Both ALP & Libs/Nationals) that have totally failed the people who voted them in and interested only in their own greed/pension. It is not suprising that they tightened the gun laws.
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Ah yes, just in time for the cold season, to help increase the incidence of influenza, cold & flu (esp. in those who are already immune compromised), which helps them to push/ coerce/ mandate more fake vaccinations etc.
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Now is the opportunity for those UNRELIABLES to show us their stuff.
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