A space shot of Planet Earth reveals the swirls of massive weather systems that encompass the planet. Was it once different?

By AMANDA MASON
for Creation Today

WHAT I am about to suggest to you in this article may be argumentative to some while others will whole-heartily agree with my research.  Regardless of which position our personal opinions take, we must be careful to make a respectful difference between Scriptural truth and scientific models.

The entire discussion of the canopy theory is merely a scientific model. Neither opinion on it should be elevated to the status of biblical inerrancy. Therefore, at the forefront of this discussion, let’s remember that God’s Word is unchangeable and never up for review; while scientific models will continually be thoughtfully examined and altered by inquisitive minds.1

As peer-reviews are written and studied opinions continue to differ on this scientific model, it is my contention that the biblical phrase “waters above” does not refer to a vapor canopy at the edge of the atmosphere and in this writing I discuss why I do not believe that a water canopy above the atmosphere is scientifically tenable.

The Canopy Theory is an honorable attempt to interpret Scripture correctly, and also to account for the waters of the Flood. The theory starts with Day Two of the creation week.

Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters, which were under the firmament from the waters, which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. (Genesis 1:6-8)

This passage is clearly talking about the creation of a firmament and the division of waters into waters above and below the firmament. The basis of the Canopy Theory is that the firmament represents the Earth’s atmosphere and the waters above are in the form of a canopy, which surrounded the Earth before the Flood. It is thought that this canopy could have been the source, or at least a source, for the waters of the Flood. The Flood would have been initiated, therefore, by the collapse of this canopy. It is thought that the pre-Flood canopy would have caused conditions of environment and weather before the Flood to be very different from those of today. The actual nature of the canopy differs in competing interpretations, with some assuming it to be a canopy of water vapor, and others suggesting a crystalline canopy.

It must be emphasized that many creationists, myself included, have held to and taught the Canopy Theory in the past. In quoting a number of great creationist writers, who supported the Canopy Theory, it must not be thought that I am intending to be disrespectful of their position. My rejection of their support for the Canopy Theory is merely an indication that our understanding moves on, and should not be taken to imply anything other than the immense respect that I have for such thinkers.

Primary among these has to be the late Dr. Henry Morris, the father of modern creationism. In his wonderful book, The Genesis Record, he writes:

The “waters above the firmament” thus probably constituted a vast blanket of water vapor above the troposphere and possibly above the stratosphere as well, in the high-temperature region now known as the ionosphere, and extending far into space.2

Dr. Morris went on to list some of the ways in which a vapor canopy might have made pre-Flood conditions different from today. These include:

  • Uniform world temperatures
  • Uniform warmth
  • Prevention of cosmic radiation, leading to longer pre-Flood lifespans
  • Uniform worldwide moisture, with no deserts or ice caps

In 1976, Morris was satisfied that such a vapor canopy would provide the water required for the Flood.

A worldwide rain lasting forty days would be quite impossible under present atmospheric conditions; so this phenomenon required an utterly different source of atmospheric waters than now obtains. This we have already seen to be the “waters above the firmament”, the vast thermal blanket of invisible water vapor that maintained the greenhouse effect in the antediluvian world. These waters somehow were to condense and fall on the earth.3

The Vapor Canopy Model was the most common canopy model among creationists, and was the one that I taught in my own presentations for many years. Some creationists, however, have suggested a canopy of ice. Carl Baugh, for example, suggests a “crystalline canopy.”4 In this theory, the ice would be made either of ice crystals, or of a solid, metallic hydrogen lattice, suspended above the atmosphere by magnetic levitation.

This specific crystalline canopy has particular problems. Magnetic levitation would not work on molecules like water or hydrogen, where paramagnetic properties dominate over diamagnetic properties. Also, a solid lattice of ice would make it difficult or impossible to see stars. Finally, hydrogen can only exhibit metallic properties under extreme conditions of high pressure and temperatures near absolute zero.

Problems with the Canopy Theory

A number of significant scientific problems have come to light, which cast doubt on the canopy theory.

Canopy theorists have used the canopy concept to explain a number of pre-Flood effects. For example, they have suggested that the canopy would have increased atmospheric pressure at the Earth’s surface. They claim that this would affect pre-Flood life. Genesis 6 refers to “giants,” and it is suggested that humans would not have been able to grow to giant height without increased pressure.

However, giant height of seven or eight feet is completely feasible with normal atmospheric pressure. Canopy theorists have also claimed that the giant insects seen in the fossil record would not have been able to breathe without increased oxygen partial pressure. Again, this can be shown not to be the case. Indeed, increased oxygen partial pressure can actually be shown to have a deleterious effect on longevity of humans.

On the subject of longevity, it has been suggested that the longevity of humans before the Flood was due to greater atmospheric pressure. However, a better explanation of this longevity is the comparative absence of mutations among the human gene pool. The level of mutations would have greatly increased after the Flood, so this could explain the rapid decrease in longevity.

Scientist Dr. Larry Vardiman has taken a close interest in the canopy theory, having calculated many different models for how it could have worked. To the best of my knowledge, he still holds to a version of the canopy theory. Nevertheless, his research has pointed out a number of problems with the theory.

It must be remembered that water vapor is probably the most significant of the so-called “greenhouse gases.” So any vapor canopy would trap more heat from the sun, leading to increased temperatures at the Earth’s surface. Vardiman’s computer models showed that “any canopy containing more than about 20 inches (51 cm) of water produced such a strong greenhouse effect that surface temperatures became unsuitable for life.”5 

Vardiman proposed that cirrus clouds near the top of the canopy could have helped against this effect, but other researchers, such as Snelling, have suggested that these would mitigate insufficiently the problems caused by the canopy.

Clearly, 20 inches of water is insufficient to explain the water of the Flood. However, even if further factors are introduced to allow the canopy to increase in size, it is still only possible to produce a canopy that would deposit one meter of water on the Earth. Some creationists have suggested that the canopy would not therefore be the only source of water. This indeed makes sense.

A better model for how the Flood began is the Catastrophic Plate Tectonics model, which shows that the major source of water would probably have been the mantle. But, if no canopy can be proposed that would represent a significant percentage of the water required for the Flood, one wonders why one needs a canopy theory at all, especially as we now move on to some Scriptural objections to the canopy theory. These arguments are significant.

If a few scientific results looked problematic and we could show that Scripture clearly taught a canopy, then we would know that the scientific results were currently incomplete, and we would trust Scripture. However, I will now show that the canopy is not required by Scripture, and is even probably incorrect, according to Scripture.

Dr. Russell Humphreys has suggested a cosmology, based on the stretching of space.6 In this cosmology, Humphreys has suggested that the firmament, which divides the waters above from the waters below, in Genesis 1:6-8, represents the stretching of the universe. The Hebrew word translated firmament is râqîya (רקיע).

This word has a similar root to the concept of “stretching” metal, by hammering it. Some versions translate the word as expanse. Humphreys, therefore, uses this concept to explain the various red shift measurements observed in space. However, a side effect of his theory is that the “waters above” would therefore be beyond the stars, rather than at the edge of the atmosphere. This makes sense for a number of reasons.

First, we read in Genesis 1 that the Sun, Moon and stars were made in the firmament (Genesis 1:15). If there were a canopy at the edge of the atmosphere, this would mean that the stars were above the canopy, which is not what Scripture says.

Second, some have pointed to birds flying in the canopy, as pointing to the canopy being at the edge of the atmosphere. However, if the canopy were at the edge of the universe, this would not contradict this verse (Genesis 1:20). Moreover, the Hebrew version actually talks about the “face of the firmament.” Some versions, such as the NKJV, refer to this: “… let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.” So the birds are not actually in the firmament, but flying across the face of it.

Third, Psalm 148:4 shows that the “waters above” are still actually in place, because this psalm was written after the Flood. That would also suggest that the “waters above” had nothing to do with the Flood, and lends support to Humphreys’ idea that the “waters above” are beyond the last galaxies, not at the edge of the atmosphere.

Conclusion

It has been hard for many modern creationists to let go of the vapor canopy theory. Dr. Carl Wieland expressed this emotional difficulty, in answering a critic on the Creation Ministries International website. While showing why the canopy theory does not make sense, Dr. Wieland admitted, “Having lectured using the ‘canopy’ idea many years ago, I can certainly understand its appeal. Emotionally, it was hard to ‘let go.’”7 I had similar emotions. Nevertheless, we must face the fact that the canopy theory was not Scripture, but rather a scientific model to aid our understanding. Scriptural analysis and modern scientific understandings both show that the canopy model is not necessary. It seems today that the effects, for which the canopy theory was developed to explain, are actually better explained by other means.

  1. Taylor, P. (2011), Scriptural Truth and Scientific Models, < http://www.creationtoday.org/scriptural-truth-and-scientific-models/ &gt; ↩
  2. Morris, H. (1976), The Genesis Record, (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House), p.59 ↩
  3. Ibid., p.191 ↩
  4. Baugh, C.E. (undated document), Crystalline Canopy Theory, < http://184.154.224.5/~creatio1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=74&Itemid=29 &gt;, accessed 01/06/2012 ↩
  5. Snelling, A.A. (2009), Earth’s Catastrophic Past (Dallas, TX: ICR), p.667 ↩
  6. Vardiman, L. and D. R. Humphreys. 2010. A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 1. Acts & Facts. 39 (11): 12-15 ↩
  7. < http://creation.com/cannot-blame-cmi &gt;, accessed 1/6/2012 ↩

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  1. Whichever way you flick it, possums,you’re being told to BELIEVE in something you’re being told by someone you don’t know and someone you know nothing about.

  2. Honourable Joe : Reading the words of Pasclaudius news , those that became what is described as Jews were employed by the Pharaohs were book keepers and line managers of the Royal mint .

  3. Commenter Thompson
    Another version has it that Rameses 2 sent his illegit offspring Moses to colonise the Sinai and land around the present Gaza area, taking with him a bunch of troublesome joos who were not wanted in Egypt because they rejected the demi-god status of the Pharaohs. The male children all exterminated to start with. So the joos were put to another use, the 40 years was to allow time for the old ones to die off and the new ones to be instilled with the new narrative, chosen people, promised land etc. The objective was the Egyptian conquest of the Levant but by proxy. Now we have present day joos and “self identifying” joos with the most massive case of Stockholm Syndrome ever seen in the world. They are fulfilling the task of the Pharaohs perfectly. The Egyptian lineage has finally ended up in Swissyland via the Ptolemys who were only semi-divine for a few centuries at the end. I can’t get over the looks of this relative of Roger Federer, she was descended from a president of Swissyland, has very exotic features like a Macedonian-Egyptian, and loves a bit of statecraft, as does Roger who is documented hanging out with Gates and UNicef. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Schmid-Federer
    The Moses story is a bit like the Bill Clinton story who nobody is supposed to know is the son of Winthrop Rockerfella who appears to have controlled most of Arkansaw ( including air distribution centre ). Rocquefeuil from France, in business with armies and money-printing for the entire millennium. Some say the Bush’s came straight out of the Nazis by adoption. Mein Trumpf has a bit of Euro blue blood incl Norway. All the stories such as Hillary’s background and private life are papered over. A bunch of them come from out of Hesse-Kassel which is where there was a huge pile of money a few hundred years ago, presumably collected by Charlemagne’s gang, I guess his backup fortress. I would surmise, some of these people took over a joo moneylender’s shop in Frankfurt by stealth and built a notorious banking empire from there. The infusion of joo culture into German was certainly successful. The funding for everything came from Charlemagne’s “Holy Roman Empire” which we are not supposed to think too much about, but existed for roughly 1000 years, aka the “1st Reich”.
    Funny how the bible does not mention a particular Pharaoh engineering things, it’s as if they edited it out ( !!! ) but in Exodus 1:11 we see it was Rameses, and Rameses 2 was in control for a long time.

  4. It is written that Genesis was written by Moses from what GOD told him to write while he was walkabout for 40 years out where there are no black stumps so in their communications wouldn’t you think that Moses would have requested a map to find where GOD had intended them to find its promised land ?

  5. ‘Absolutely not. It is an honest and open examination . . . What this [vault] exactly means is somewhat mysterious, which of course has led to various theories about a pre-Flood Earth.’
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    Yes Editor, – and contemporary people also look to the night sky pointing to the Plough, Swan, Fishes, a Hunter and his Dog, a nearby Wolf, a Dragon, a Lion, etc. So I guess, what this means is that twentieth century humanity lives beneath a celestial nature reserve inhabited by giant men, farming implements and animals?
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    Whatever will future humans think of the world we lived in and how it differed to their firmament which was inhabited by stars?
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    Your as bad as the other engagement farmers here: – cheap.

  6. In engineering fluid mechanics the liquids and gases are all considered fluids, we live in what they call a “biosphere”, the translators might like to consider these options in their notes, I think the editor is being mischievous just giving the flat earthers a little hook in for fun.
    Even a blind man can see, as Stevie Wonder said in his song Superstition “… you believe in things that you can’t understand …”
    Creationism may well be a socio-political position, you don’t have to believe it to say you believe it.
    6000 years old is implausible,,,,, but convenient for the winners who wrote the history ( and took out the apocrypha ).

  7. GLOBALISM = FREEMASONRY = JUDAISM ✡️

    The next most important question to investigate is WHO is responsible for so expertly deceiving the world?

    No surprise to those of us educated on such matters, the same people ultimately behind the lie are the same people who currently control 96% of the world’s governments, banking and fake mainstream media.

    https://old.bitchute.com/video/4ELMmwKECoMj/

  8. Michael Slovanos comments: “This article is written to confuse and bring chaos into our minds.” Absolutely not. It is an honest and open examination of the various theories about the Genesis reference to the “firmament”, or “vault” translated from the Hebrew (raqia) meaning “expanse”. Genesis 1:6-7 says: And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.” NIV
    What this exactly means is somewhat mysterious, which of course has led to various theories about a pre-Flood Earth.
    Most of the biblical translations can be read here: https: biblehub.com/genesis/1-6.htm

  9. GLOBALISM = FREEMASONRY = JUDAISM

    Investigating the ORIGINS of HUMANITY & The ENSLAVEMENT
    https: old.bitchute.com/video/RoAPuhQQIEOG/

  10. Anthropomorphic shaped figure in the clouds a little above and left of center. And more, if you get a hi-rez copy and blow it up.

  11. You can’t unscramble an omelet.
    Rameses 2 deserves more recognition, he is right up there.

  12. The mission:
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e0/ee/4a/e0ee4a38baabd80ff45f39c4588d41f6.jpg
    Of course, if you’re having a great time playing make-believe you probably will be uninterested, and can easily just dismiss it and ignore it.
    But if you take an active offense against it, that’s a different story.
    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.” Matthew 23:13

  13. “You can’t turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse”. Conversely, you can’t turn a silk purse into a sow’s ear either.
    The fundamentals are opposites.
    “Israel”(then and now) is not:
    ISREAL.

  14. Hey folks,
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    What I REALLY wanna know, is if God wanted us to eat veggies, then why did He invent butchers?
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    And just BTW, chewing the fat off the arse of a beaten dead horse, if the Sun is local, how do we get 16 hours of daylight in the South when the North is all night?
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    Or, if we weally weally WEALLY want to push the envelope, how do we get 24 HOURS of daylight in the far FAR South when the North is in constant darkness? That’s one mighty magical, versatile and stretchty local Sun, even Gumby would be hard pressed to match THAT.
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    I know, I know, an abstract geometric challenge which demands believing at least six impossible things before breakfast, but still…

  15. What (The REAL)GOD Created cannot ever be lost, damaged, changed, or destroyed.
    The devil would have you believe otherwise. Thus making GOD out to be not what GOD IS.
    The devil rules UNREALITY=this “world”.
    GOD RULES REALITY, meaning:
    TRUTH IS THE GOVERNING PRINCIPLE OF REALITY.
    DECEIT IS THE GOVERNING PRINCIPLE OF UNREALITY.
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    “The Word”? No, actually; “The Idea”.

  16. This “world” isn’t objectively real, it’s a subjective fantasy based on an idea contrary to TRUTH. We’re dreaming it up. Playing GOD while virtually detached from GOD=TRUTH=REALITY=LIFE=LOVE=ETERNAL.
    +
    This “world” is “where” “The Prodigal Son” “went”= Never-Never Land.
    +
    Behold! The world! In all it’s glory!”:
    https://www.singerskin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Common-Wart.jpg
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    “My Kingdom is not of this world. I Am The Truth”. John 18:36
    “Do not love the world, if you love the world the love of GOD is not in you”. 1 John 2:15
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    Do not believe everything you read…don’t “believe” me…ask The Truth yourself.
    TRUTH.
    Truth.
    truths.
    All is ONE. Within THE ONE.
    INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH. THUS THE ONLY REALITY.
    THUS ANYTHING THAT CONFLICTS OR CONTRADICTS THAT IS UNREALITY.
    DELUSION. FANTASY. FALSE-PROJECTION. HALLUCINATION.
    A Dream of DECEIT.
    THE TRUTH SETS YOU FREE.

  17. Sun…proof it is local- Cirrus clouds will go behind it and can be easily recorded on a decent smartphone camera. Relies on weather conditions.
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    ‘Crepuscular rays’ usually leave unmistakable geometric patterns which shows the location of where the sun actually is, which is definitely local (search for pictures on even google for that one), just follow every crepuscular ray/line, they all lead to central point in the sky above, not way out in fictional space. Some pics may show crepuscular rays left to right, lots show a circular like geometry which adds even more weight to it being local. If you don’t know what to look for then how will you ever wake up to the stupid lies? Again, relies on weather conditions to see it live, have seen it and explained it and was understood, plenty of pics online.
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    We live in a ‘World of lies and liars.’ ’cause you see, as I explained that day to those half dozen that I proved that the sun was local, due to the horizon to horizon in every direction weird looking grey clouds with the sun shining down on us all absolutely unhindered/unshaded…’The Devil (Jews-can be explained) deceives the whole world!’ NASA means deceit in Hebrew.

  18. It might be best to read about stuff like John 8:44-45 so you might then understand why and even who has lied to you about the world you live in.
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    They have done this to DISEMPOWER YOU! Much of this I bet you need to learn about and understand for yourself, as listening to me just doesn’t cut it and I get that, very much so. I hardly listen to anyone about anything anymore.
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    How have ‘they’ ‘disempowered’ you? Well, how can you know who you are, if you don’t have any idea in truth of where you are?
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    Your true power lies not in ‘where you are’ but ‘WHO YOU ARE!’.
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    Now start again. Drop all, I mean all of them, your stupid bulltish beliefs. Now start all over again fresh. Use the ‘scientific method’ and don’t believe anything you cannot test for yourself. Get to know yourself and the real world that you live in. Go spend some time in the bush or something.

  19. This goose is deliberately ignoring what is says in scripture. It is not that hard to prove that the sun is local. It is not that hard to prove there is a solid surface up there which thunder echoes off of…what else is there? Air, clouds, thinner air/thinner clouds/nothing but the vaccuum of space? So how does thunder echo off of the sky then? Is there a slight chance you have been lied to all of your life? It is hilarious watching NASA rockets scrape the firmament, looks like a ski boat with a wake…WAKE UP!
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    It is the enemies of God and therefore the enemy of you, that taught you that you lived in a ‘ever expanding universe’ that is the opposite to the truth! As Mr NowhereMan says…We are like little Truman’s! This is a closed world.
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    The sun is inside the atmosphere and you can prove it, so is the moon. A ‘solar eclipse’ is one of the strangest sights you will ever see, when the moon is ELSEWHERE IN THE SAME SKY AT THE SAME TIME! What is that ‘darkness’, the size of the sun, that crosses and blocks the sun? LOOK AT SOME VIDEOS OF THAT!
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    Instead of dismissing me again, if already have…LOOK YOU FRIGGEN IDIOT! YOU ARE BRAINWASHED AND I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU! Why? That will help me. The truth will set us all free.
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    Easy to dismiss what the bible says about the world when bought and paid for science says whatever those with the money want them to say, otherwise they get sacked. Even knocked off.

  20. ‘The Son of Man’…makes not a lot of sense.
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    ‘The Son of ‘Adam The Eternal Man (God the Creator)’.
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    Well make a religious article, get religious replies!

  21. Dennis says…”As far as we know, there is no one alive today that was here at the beginning, and so much of science is just speculative.”
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    From Genesis “In the beginning, The Word (who is Jesus Christ) was with God. And The Word ( Jesus Christ) was God”.
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    When Jesus Christ was resurrected? He became the Living God. He was around from the start Dennis and you know it.
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    -Phillip says ‘Well show us the Father then.’
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    Jesus replied something like ‘How long have you known me for Phillip? If you have seen me, then you have seen the Father!’
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    Even Enoch spoke of ‘The Son of Man’, who he had said he had seen long before he was born as Jesus Christ.

  22. This article is written to confuse and bring chaos into our minds.
    Doubt is not faith Hebrews 11:1

    “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.”
    You cannot mix so called science and Word of God.. Why? Hebrews 11:3

    “Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
    Proverbs 8:13
    To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.
    Proverbs 8:1

    “Does not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?” Proverbs 8:35

    “For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.”

  23. Hoax – NASA (The Grand Deception)

    There is so much to write about the NASA hoax that it will take forever to expose everything. Other people already did a great job exposing one of the biggest hoax in history. This page will therefore be mostly visuals with reference to the work of others (A picture is worth a thousand words).

    Everything we think we know about space come from the space agencies which are military and government controlled. The Vatican is the largest and longest Owners of telescope observatories (and has one named LUCIFER). Our knowledge of space is controlled by very few hands who don’t have our best interest at heart.

    The National Aeronautical Space Administration (NASA) was created in 1958. They, along with the US Navy and Vatican World Assistancy, have controlled all news about space since that time. All other space agencies in China, Japan, India, and Russia are all are subsidiaries of NASA.

    Most, if not all, astronots are masons and NASA actively take part in MK Ultra programming according to Cathie O’brien. All of the devil’s deceptions must be exposed, as long as people believe in any deception they will never commit fully to God and be saved.

    Moon Landing
    Challenger Disaster
    Photoshop Mistakes
    International Space Station
    Tricks to fake Anti-Gravity
    Non-NASA Hoax
    Masonic Deception

    https://saveanilluminati.com/nasa-hoax#4

  24. 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝙁𝙄𝙍𝙈𝘼𝙈𝙀𝙉𝙏 𝙄𝙎 𝙍𝙀𝘼𝙇 — 𝙎𝙄𝙓 𝙊𝘽𝙎𝙀𝙍𝙑𝘼𝙏𝙄𝙊𝙉𝘼𝙇 𝘾𝙔𝘾𝙇𝙀𝙎 𝙏𝙃𝘼𝙏 𝘿𝙀𝙎𝙏𝙍𝙊𝙔 𝙏𝙃𝙀 𝘾𝙊𝙎𝙈𝙄𝘾 𝙇𝙄𝙀
    📎 https://animaframework.com/the-firmament-is-real-six-observational-cycles-proof/

    𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗙𝗜𝗥𝗠𝗔𝗠𝗘𝗡𝗧 – 𝟭𝟬𝟬% 𝗣𝗥𝗢𝗢𝗙 𝗜𝗧❜𝗦 𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗟
    𝘗𝘩𝘰𝘵𝘰𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘥𝘰𝘤𝘴 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘙𝘶𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘈𝘤𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘮𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘚𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘴𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘣𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘲𝘶𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵.

    📎 h ttps://rumble.com/v283jsw-the-firmament-100-proof-its-real.html

  25. I can understand why there are people who are unwilling to disown the way they understood things when a small child. The lack of respect that certain others show for children point to potential dangers, however difficult it may be to comprehend the mentality of the people afflicted with what must be an ingrained psychological condition.

  26. As far as we know, there is no one alive today that was here at the beginning, and so much of science is just speculative.
    Bibliography is just as speculative, as it has been handed down rewritten many times over and adjusted to suit Roman and other politics, and the corporatization of churches.
    God delivers His truth to those that search for it in more ways than reading the Bible.
    The Bible has many known faulty bits and differing points of view of the same stories.
    So absolute truth may be known by some but can be proven by none.
    No one has the full truth in their heads.
    Accept it and move on and make the best of what you know.
    You will be judged, if you are to be judged, by how you handled what you believed to be truth and goodness, righteousness.
    If you believe in Jesus, then you are way ahead.

  27. Regarding Amanda’s point ‘we must be careful to make a respectful difference between Scriptural truth and scientific models’, there is ample evidence that many parts of the King James Bible are at best advisory rather than factual, as befits a book that has been translated and rewritten numerous times, and so-called science that has been proven wrong on numerous issues, with much more to come. The whole debate is better viewed by examining the basics, in particular, is the Earth really flat? There is overwhelming evidence that this is the case, and the views that the earth is a globe can be easily demolished. Recall the UN and NASA insignia show a flat earth map. My understanding is that the firmament goes far outside the Antarctic and rim encircling the Earth, and the Firmament is a form of silica with the sun and moon travelling around above the flat Earth under the firmament. My understanding too is the Heaven is in the layer of water above the firmament. I guess we have to wait until numerous aspects of what we have been taught, or more accurately indoctrinated, is revealed, to the amazement of most people. No doubt the people suffering from advanced cases of cognitive dissonance will not be convinced, to their eventual detriment.

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