The elite bureaucrats of the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board and their mostly gay and transgender supporters who will become arbiters of politically correct religious messaging while enforcing transgenderist ideology for children.
ACL member Wendy Francis says if she was threatened with jail for counselling her own children on sexual identity issues she would willingly go there.


THE corporate entity known as “Anti-Discrimination NSW” this week celebrated new totalitarian enablement legislation called the Conversion Practices Ban Act 2024 (NSW).

It brings into effect and promotes a so-called civil complaints scheme that will enable LGBTQ activists to launch state-funded lawfare harassment campaigns religious organisations, most notably Christian churches.

Despite assurances by proponents of the law that it would not outlaw people voluntarily seeking “any kind of personal help” ACL member Wendy Francis says these assurances appear hollow because the legislation affirms transgender ideology being pushed on pre-pubescent children who may feel insecure about their identity.

The event launching the Act was addressed by NSW Attorney General Michael Daley MP and president of the Anti-Discrimination Board of NSW Chris D’Aeth. Special guest speaker was Anthony Venn-Brown OAM, the ex-Christian evangelist turned “gay ambassador”.

A panel discussion included Anna Brown OAM the gay rights activist/lawyer and Teddy Cook the transvestite and WHO adviser at the centre of an effort by transgender activists to censor criticism of child transgender mutilation through the eSafety Commissioner.

The Australian Christian Lobby warns that the intent of the laws is “often masqueraded behind sensationalist talk of former cruel practices that no longer exist in Australia”.

“However, in truth, the proposed reforms are far more ideological with the direct aim of cancelling a biblical perspective on sex and sexual behaviour,” the ACL says.

A ‘conversion’ practice is most often defined as any practice which seeks to change or suppress someone’s ‘gender identity’ or ‘sexual orientation’ (SOGI). 

ACL’s NSW state director Joshua Rowe says that under the Act a parent trying to dissuade a 15-year-old girl from undergoing a double masectomy would be “entertaining a conversion practice”.

The Christian lobby says an easier way to define a conversion practice “is any practice which does not affirm someone’s misconceptions about their sex or their same-sex desires.” 

“Proponents of ‘conversion’ legislation often allude publicly to coercive or abusive practices. However, masquerading behind these claims are provisions that outlaw certain prayers, parental rights, and clinicians’ conscience when offering care.

 

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  1. Correcting the record, don’t forget George Neo was quoting Pat from Vic rather than “George said”.

    Could that be twisted logic in the very first line? Three times “George said” didn’t say at all, but was quoting elsewhere, a Zen hijack if one insists.

    One may declare “I rest my case”, a response might be to “rest in peace” as continuing debate based on know-it-all ridicule seems entirely pointless. Nevertheless, thanks for the entertainment. I am in your debt.

    “Re-arrange the letters in Silent & Listen for a change.”

    “Re-arrange the letters in Listen & Be Silent for a change.”

  2. If you knew The Game was “fixed”, would you still want to play?

  3. Mr. NoWhere Man said – “… Go ahead, make up your own “truth” and “reality”…see where and what it gets you…”

    We sure will! Back atcha Babe!

  4. Oh well.

    REALITY(IS-GOD) says “INFINITE LOVE IS THE ONLY TRUTH(IS-GOD).
    IS-REAL.
    (get it?, and what is the imposter and inversion of that in this fictional “world”? “Israel”= not-real=not genuine=not legitimate=a fraud)

    You’re free to dispute/deny that, you’re free to insist IT should be more or less, or different than WHAT-IT-IS. (hello “Lucifer”).

    Go ahead, make up your own “truth” and “reality”…see where and what it gets you.

    IT’S not “worried” or “threatened”.

    Those “thoughts/ideas” have no meaning in/to REALITY(GOD).

    That Which Knows Everything need not “think” about anything.

  5. George Neo said – “… “stringing every last one of these Treasonous mongrel arsehole baby-eating bastards up to lamp posts” is an ultimate solution…”

    Damn right!

    “Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and give unto God that which is God’s”.

    “Kill them all, God knows his own”.

    And give unto the Luciferian Legions of sold-out paid-off mass-murdering traitors the wages for their sins in full and as merited, because as everyone knows, and rightly and righteously so, the penalty for Treason is Death.

    I rest my case.

    And George Neo said – “… “What is the sound of one hand clapping? Nothing! The answer is nothing…”

    Clearly your thinking lacks flexibility.

    What is the smell of one cheek farting? AnAL!

    And what is the smell ofthe OTHER cheek farting? Lurch!

    And what is the smell of BOTH cheeks farting? The same as the sound of EVERY Australian “election” as Australia slips down the S-Bend on it’s path to Oblivion.

    Hey, if you’re gonna hijack Zen questions to pad out your philosophy, at least try to be a little abstract about it.

    And George Neo also said – “… Reality is everything; truth is no-thingness…”

    And we will all own no-thing and be happy. Klaus gets it, why can’t we? The WEF could likely use your wise counsel, ever considered nominating for the Young Global Leader program?

    And I’ll be buggered if George Neo didn’t say – “… The foundation of true intelligence is simplicity, not cleverness…”

    I know, right?

    Hard to find something simpler than a plate of fried cockroaches and a warm glass of blended maggot milk. And owning nothing and being happy.

    Simples!

  6. WONDERFUL Arguments mr Now-Hear man! Your final query can be addressed= “The only “real” duality is the duality of Reality and it’s opposite–which is what? Where is it? By what Principle is it governed?”

    Non-dual concepts address this directly: “What is the sound of one hand clapping? Nothing! The answer is nothing. There is no sound with true oneness, but with twoness you have interaction & conflict. How does it feel to know the absolute truth?”

    It’s not really an Opposite, but it does highlight that Duality of Reality is just an illusion, as you may be implying. Thanks for That!

    My quote on why spirituality is unpopular: “Reality is Every-thing, but Truth is No-thing.” Pat may have difficulty with that. (Ed probably thinks i’m a weirdo as well). Derived from one of my favourite paragraphs:

    “There is a gulf between truth and reality; they are not the same thing. Illusion and falsehood are certainly part of reality, but they are not part of truth. Truth includes all that is; it is one. Reality is conditioned and multiple. Truth is beyond reality; it comprehends reality, but not vice versa. Reality is everything; truth is no-thingness. WE NEED TRUTH, BUT OUR MINDS ARE OCCUPIED WITH REALITY. We seek security in reality, but authentic security comes only in complete nothingness, that is, only in truth. The seed of truth is a mystery that thought cannot encompass; it is beyond reality.”

    Pan … and Me Nature Spirit advises the vast difference between Intellect (ego-based) & Intelligence (soul-based, our True Nature)=

    “The foundation of true intelligence is simplicity, not cleverness. Lost in illusions of intellect, Clever is a God-like erroneous concept. Clever holds hands with Stupid!”

    On the “COVIDHOAX” (not sure which ‘theory’ applied), yes it appears to dis-credit many arguments. But consider that this was actually authorised/manifested by the Spirit world, in order to help Awaken the Masses! Consider:

    “We are advised to honour those who took the jab, as volunteers helping to ‘awaken’ the masses. Many even sacrificing their lives, but they are quite okay in the Absolute realm. Even those who forcefully implemented the mass ‘inoculations’ played a pivotal role in this grand awakening process. Gratitude to one and all as the evil ‘dark’ role helps define the ‘light’.”

    Pat’s focus seems to be materialistic that imagines “stringing every last one of these Treasonous mongrel arsehole baby-eating bastards up to lamp posts” is an ultimate solution. Although Yes, saying NO to Abuse may require one to go to war, not for revenge, but for ultimate peace. But if physical/material existence derives from mental/spiritual (NOT the other way around!), then it’s obviously a Consciousness issue. Governments ALWAYS reflect the mindset of the people, & the vast majority may still be asleep. Mass awakening will no longer attract corruption!

    Consider that what one Gets is NOT a Coincidence! But driven by one’s primitive mindset. So even if suddenly one owns Nothing, might as well still be happy, as one CHOSE this from a Soul perspective. If one masters Thought Control, the negative circumstance magically disappears. If everyone practiced this, a Golden Age manifests, not a totalitarian, dystopian nightmare. Re-read the prior post, it may help.

    As the Avatar movie says, “I See You.”

  7. It’s not about “good and evil”, it’s about TRUTH.

    They are just subjective dualistic terms used in this world and have no use or meaning in Reality.
    If you think TRUTH is “good” you would be reducing TRUTH to the limits of a subjective worldly experience.

    It is Infinitely more than “good”, it is Infinitely better and greater than “good”, it is Eternally beyond, before, and after “good” and/or “evil”.

    For one thing to be “true” it must be true for all things, for something to be “true”; it cannot conflict or contradict any other “true” thing.

    TRUTH
    Truth
    truth
    is
    ONE.

    And so is
    DECEIT.
    Deceit
    deceit.

    Duality is a deceit. Reality is not comprised of a dual nature. It is of a singular nature. And so is fantasy or delusion, or; unreality.
    A half truth is always part of a bigger lie, and the lie is predatory. Always, the lie is predatory, psychopathic, malignant.

    The only “real” duality is the duality of Reality and it’s opposite–which is what? Where is it? By what Principle is it governed?

  8. Sorry George, the COVIDHOAX(and numerous other things) proved your theory wrong.

    I am only grateful for what GOD has given me, and I have no wants or intention greater than remembering and Being Real. GOD has already given me Everything GOD has to give, but for a moment I have forgotten and dream a dream of insanity…

    …and imagine that I lacked something or anything. By so doing, I have “given” myself all that I had lacked before, and become oblivious to all that I had been given by GOD.

    By reading my posts here it shouldn’t be hard to see what it was that I “lacked” prior to this absurd perceptual experience called “the world”.

    BTW, the satanists also practice those things you speak of, it seems that this particular “universe” favors them and their “wants” the most. Actually it is proven that this “universe” favors them and that the “law” of this world is “Might Makes Right”, and Deceit is The Governing Principle above all.

    I’m not interested in being a blissfully unaware slave being used to support a Slave-World.
    Another name for this world can be Trauma-World.

    And then there’s this…the devil will offer all kinds of “gifts”(seduction) to win over allegiance, and if that doesn’t work it will try to coerce/traumatize people into compliance. The “gifts” aren’t really gifts…they have strings attached, and they have a predetermined end result.

    “Then the devil led Him up to a high place and showed Him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. “I will give You authority over all these kingdoms and all their glory,” he said. “For it has been relinquished to me, and I can give it to anyone I wish. So if You worship me, it will all be Yours.”
    “But Jesus answered, “I Worship GOD only and serve only GOD.” Matthew 4:6

    It’s not a master-slave relationship with the REAL GOD.

    But it is with The Imposter.

  9. George Neo said – “… FREEDOM isn’t Getting what you Want, but Wanting what you Get…”

    For example, you will own nothing, and be Happy!

    Simples!

    And those fried crickets and blended maggot milk are surely a blessing (creepy Bill assures us that it has real milk “mouth feel”).

    George Neo said – “… Get it?”

    Well Klaus and Smeagol and creepy Bill sure do!

    Why can’t all the Useless Eaters just stop complaining and get with the script?

    Mind you, I’m still feeling awfully attracted to the idea of stringing every last one of these Treasonous mongrel arsehole baby-eating bastards up to lamp posts. If that just happens to be what we got, damn right I’d be swimmingly happy with that.

  10. My two-bobs worth keeping this going! Must get to bed soon.

    Instead of the endless debate on GOOD & EVIL etc, why not consider this advice:

    FREEDOM isn’t Getting what you Want, but Wanting what you Get. Get it? In the spirit realm, intention becomes reality, results are instantaneous. In the physical realm, there may be a time delay. This could be reduced to zero when the physical soul learns to control their thoughts as quickly & efficiently as a spiritual soul.
    Therefore, dwell only on good things, & righteous, not negativity & darkness. Especially in moments of darkness, see only perfection, express only gratitude, & then imagine what manifestation of perfection to choose next.
    This creation of individual reality, or thought control, might be called the highest form of prayer. Know that the ONLY effective prayer is one of gratitude, in advance. Some have called this the Law of Assumption, whereas the Law of Attraction assumes it is not yet manifest & therefore pushes a result away.
    Turn addictions into preferences. Turn preferences into acceptances. In this formula is found tranquility. In this process is found peace. In this awareness is found joy, & a the Path to En-Lighten-ment. That is, Ment is Mind & Meant to Be, & so Lighten Up as the ONLY aim of Existence!
    The Mind is a House of Questions, whereas the Heart is a Library of Answers. Decisions are therefore beyond the realm of understanding, or intellect. With the Heart as a pathway to the Soul, all we do is acquiesce. Celebrate that thorns have roses. A dog has friends because he wags his tail, instead of his tongue. One who speaks does not know, whereas one who knows does not speak.

    This 4 minutes on the Devil made me laugh! Enjoy=

    https://youtu.be/vJYo7SusO48 If I was the DEVIL 4mins

  11. That’s why they do the Satanic Ritual Abuse known as “circumcision” to young children. To impress upon them that The Truth is a lie, and the lies and the liar are “the truth”.

    To detach them from awareness and connection(intuition) to Real Divinity and impose a psychopathic substitute.

    If this isn’t obvious you yourself have been assimilated. And have no clue as to what they have stolen from you. And what a SHITTY substitute they have installed in it’s RIGHTFUL PLACE.

    You might want to find out.

  12. This is what “overcoming the world” is about, where you cannot be forced to deny Truth and accept the lie.

    That’s what the devil was trying to do to Jesus Christ, through it’s slaves. It was gonna show him and his followers…

    … “…so,,, you think this world, MY WORLD, isn’t reality huh? And that you are “One with OMNIPOTENT GOD”? Well, how bout this…I’ll subvert you, torture and kill you, and we’ll see if you and your people can still believe that!”.

    But he did not doubt The TRUTH.
    And thereby the devil knows it is the loser. A born loser. Living on stolen time.

    And then they stole his words and made up a religion of half-truths and bald faced lies as a damage-control operation.

    And they will say what I’m saying isn’t in the book…The devil ruled Rome, and the Pharisees. Who produced the book?
    It’s still in there though, if you can get past the bullshit used to obscure it.

  13. “Evil” has been given “life” in this world, and has taken on a life of conquest,

    and a life of convincing this consciousness that it(evil) absolutely is “real”(and The Truth(that I am speaking) is not),
    and by that being believed/accepted then logically that means that this consciousness itself is “evil”, which would then entrap it within this dream, and enslave it to the devil.

    That is the devil’s deception.

    The devil(larger ego) is a false idea given life, within the mind of the dreamer, and has taken control, it is the ruler of UnReality.
    And it has fragments(little egos) within our minds that act as agents for it.

    Basically the larger(collective) ego is the devil and the little egos are like demons(“agent Smiths”) attached to our consciousness pretending to be the person.

    And when something(The Truth) that threatens the System is witnessed by someone dominated by that, they will “morph” into an agent to attempt to subvert that system-threatening thing. It’s just their ego being triggered.

    The ego operates on the wavelength of fear, but can mask fear with other seemingly different things that are still sourced from it.

    It’s a mindfvck because “evil” is “a thing” in this world, it is operative…but this “world” isn’t actually real.

  14. I know the game Pat.

    They also say: “the road to hell was paved with good intentions”. (Hello Lucifer?).

    The point is: no thing GOD Created is evil. Nor is evil possible in Reality.

    To have a thought or idea that is contrary to TRUTH(the only “law” that IS REALITY=REALITY IS THE LAW=IS GOD), and to seriously contemplate or consider the “possible value” or legitimacy of it basically sends the contemplator into an internal hell of it’s own making.

    It’s not “doing” anything in Reality, except momentarily being mentally and virtually detached from it.

    Hence we are (characters) within the mind of the part of the consciousness that has been overwhelmed by that idea and is playing out the “possible” consequences within itself, projecting itself internally as those characters and entities, everything in this world, is a projection of that consciousness being those entities including us.

    But what one ends up with is an extreme degradation of Being. The opposite of What-Is–What-Was–What-Ever-Shall-Be=Real.
    Which is “evil”.
    A (deceptive) virtual-reality where the fundamental feature and quality is “evil”.
    Disguised and sold as not what it is.

    And that’s why I call it a Self Abusing System Based On Lies.

  15. Mr. NoWhere Man said – “… I Am here, right now, with one foot in and one foot out…”

    You know they say that about Hell, right?

    Maybe watch your back.

  16. The Counterfeit Cross

    Is the cross which took Christ’s life a thing to be proud of and adored? Or has the Devil deceived us here also? Our sins and the Devil’s deception killed Christ. Satan was to bruise the heel of the seed of woman (Gen 3:15) — Satan was to kill Christ. How did he do this?

    Satan deceived us into sinning and OUR sins killed Christ. Should we parade OUR INSTRUMENT OF DEATH, which took Christ’s life, before the world and be proud of it? But notice even more about the practice of parading the cross.

    The true original form of the Chaldean (Babylonian) alphabet letter “T” is made like like the CROSS CHURCHES USE TODAY — and WAS THE INITIAL OF TAMMUZ, the sun-god. “This was marked on the foreheads of those initiated into the Mysteries; the Vestal virgins of pagan (not modern) Rome wore it suspended off their necklaces as nuns do now. There is hardly a pagan tribe where a cross has not been found . . . the X which in itself was not an unnatural symbol of Christ, and which was once regarded as such, was allowed to go entirely into disuse and the Tau cross, the sign of Tammuz, the false messiah, was everywhere substituted in its stead” (Hislop, The Two Babylons, p. 119).

    People and churches nowadays are even going to great lengths to identify themselves with the symbol of the Sun-god! The great display of this symbol today is an outward sign of how blinded the world is to the truth of God.

    http://www.giveshare.org/library/satandeception/deception5.html

  17. Looks like the qualities of the devil to me…co-“creating” with the devil instead of GOD leads to miscreation and so-called “hell”.

    Click the “expand quoted post” to see…the original was disappeared sometime after I quoted it here:
    https://forum.davidicke.com/index.php?/topic/18969-we-live-in-a-simulation-created-by-a-non-human-force-%E2%80%93-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast/&do=findComment&comment=365020

    The absurdity of claiming this is GOD’S Creation is the greatest deceit the devil pulled.

  18. Behold! The world! In all it’s glory!
    https://www.singerskin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Common-Wart.jpg

    It only exists within the deceived minds (consciousness) within it. It Is (the wart) not there objectively…what do you think is looking down at that spot that in actuality has shut off communication/awareness with that Greater thing?
    That Greater thing is The Undeceived Son of GOD=Real Creation.

  19. This world has been the Devil’s Realm since the beginning.

    Who would think the Devil isn’t skilled at mimicking truthfulness and genuineness? It wouldn’t be much of a deceiver if it wasn’t, would it?

    Of course so many are certain they can see the deceptions, and are not fooled. They are sure where/what they put their faith (in) is truthful and safe.

    Well, when we’re operating from false premises the conclusions will always be erroneous, which is why those false premises were propagated in the first place.
    They lead to a dead end.

    They are a trap setting up their believers into a false sense of security, setting up the believers into a worldview that is false.

    Of course self-deception was required to have an experience of being what-we-are-not, “living” in a “world” that-is-not. Obviously such an endeavor cannot be representative of Reality, and must by definition be what is the opposite.

    To take the qualities and characteristics of the world as a representation of the qualities and characteristics of “God” is a great error, if when one uses the word “God” they mean The Eternal Life Being Alive=REALITY.

    Fantasies and hallucinations don’t count. Sorry. Because that’s all they are if they deviate from TRUTH-AS-IT-IS. Subjectively they might seem “real”, but it’s still just a private fantasy of a tiny part of The Greater Consciousness that has denied being a part of That Greater Consciousness that is undeceived, and thereby Being Real, that is: Being One with THE ONE “OBJECTIVE REALITY”=GOD.

    Our capacity to create has been used not how it is intended. That is the limit of free will, to be Real or to be fake. One is shared with all INFINITY, the other is self-isolated and virtually detached from IT.

    What is there to “learn” from fantasy? Everything that is not KNOWN in REALITY. What else could there be?

    I just don’t see the consciousness dreaming up this world as GOD, but as a part of Reality that has rejected and denied REALITY for a time.

    And that’s it’s prerogative to do, but it’s also my prerogative to change my mind, and before I exit, to do what it did to Reality, to this fantasy miscreation.
    That is what “repentance” really means.

  20. Shadow land Mr NoWhereMan?

    I thought we were living in the land over the rainbow, where you have a strawman follow you around (the NAME IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS- Which is DOG-LATIN – which means it is gibberish that makes no sense) with no brain and a Tin Man that has no heart (A Vessel…You are presumed dead, lost at sea, returned to port as a ship, boat, a cargo barge as chattel of the government) plus a Lion (King of the jungle) with no courage (who represents the American/Australian, in this case, male who has lost his courage to stand up to all of this deceit)…

    Toto represents trusting our own senses, trusting our own perception of reality as the only path to the TRUTH!

    They followed the stolen gold of 1913, the yellow brick road, to the controller behind the curtain…the bankers.

    Once upon a time…We the people stood as Sovereigns, as the ultimate authority, with only God above us on the pyramid of power.

    Government served in our interests. We were subject to Common Law only as living men and women, not subjected to contracts without full disclosure, without our consent or even our knowledge.

    Government kept the Justice system, constabulary, military and public service institutions accountable to the people.

    The Justice system kept the Corporations/Banks accountable to the people.

    Today…The Banks/Corporations usurped control of government, including the ‘Reserve Banks’ and the money printing power, with extortion/blackmail/bribery and secret societies, then the courts/constabulary/military and public service institutions, replacing them with their corporations and their secret society initiates.

    We were dumped at the bottom of pile, as when we contract to the STRAWMAN, we lose our inalienable rights as a living man/woman. So much as handing over your license is contracting with them corporate policy enforcers (police officers), for they will write your name down in DOG-LATIN.

    Is this the sad ending? I hope not. For we are many and they are almost bloody none.

    Click your heels….three times, lets back to Kansas! (REALITY)

  21. lol What a red herring furphy the whole sexuality gig is! A distraction for us flies to gather around while the dung spreaders get around collecting the honey.

    They’re having a lend of you, folks. lol Suddenly they don’t know what a man or a woman is? Suddenly there’s more than male and female or neuter genders?

    Go ahead, get distracted while you’re being plundered. Make someone’s day, pretend you didn’t notice. lol

  22. Basically we’re in Shadow Land, we’re in fvcking “Plato’s Cave” under the spell of deceit.
    And we put ourselve’s there.

    So, who/what are we complaining to?

    Responsibility and blame/fault are not the same thing.

    Responsibility returns back to the beginning, fault and blame only has meaning within the lie.
    Innocence was exploited and abused by deceit. A “novel idea”.
    The results of which could not have been known prior to investigation.

  23. So, if you really don’t like evil, put your money where your mouth is and quit complaining.
    The solution has been articulated and given.

    So sorry if it doesn’t fit or conform to your own delusional ideas.
    Not.

  24. The point is and always has been; evil cannot and will not be extinguished until value and allegiance to deceit is withdrawn.

    Thereby; The Truth Shall Set You Free.

  25. E V I L is the V E I L that blinds us to R E A L I T Y.

    E V I L is the opposite of L I V E.

    E V I L is the opposite of L I F E.

    E F I L. Thats close enough for me.

    Deceit is the cause of EVIL.

    As such; EVIL is a lie.

    Therefore “belief and perception and experience” of evil is a psychosis. Or; the result of having given value to deceit.

    A fraudulent idea of what-is-real.

    Just because “consensus” in this world denies that means nothing, because there is a greater consensus and IT IS THE GREATER UNDECEIVED WHOLE OF INFINITE REALITY that this “world” consciousness has turned away from.

    How can one “reason” with a crazy person or persons that denies his/their insanity?

    It’s only after the insanity has proven to be self-defeating and POINTLESS, and thereby inherently WORTHLESS that the insane person will be open to accepting TRUTH and returning to Reality.

    The Spiritual solution is the only thing that can ever restore sanity.

    ps; the jews stole “The Matrix” story from a non-jew named Tom Althouse.
    The black woman claiming it is a red herring.

  26. Caltrop said – “… Go through all 31 verses of Scripture in which sheol is translated into the English word hell…”

    Yes, a very wise and scholarly analysis, worthy of at least a little merit.

    One could be cynical and suggest that the Rebellion could have saved a whole lot of effort and X-Wing Fighters and spontaneoulsy destroyed the Death Star by just amending the configuration management chapter of it’s maintenance manual.

    But, adhering to the protocols of dignified debate, as in most all of these conjectures, we’re left with something of a quandry.

    Is the Lake of Fire sign-posted? Does a real place vanish into the aether if we can’t quote it’s name? Does a forest cease to be if we’re not there to hear a sparrow fart?

    Lots of material for discussion, no doubt. I’d be rather disturbed if a dying person begged in terror to be extracted from Hell, or if a dead person somehow recovered and recounted a seemingly limitless panorama of fire and brimstone and demonic torture…

    … but since when has that ever happened?

    Guess you had to be there.

  27. We should understand “hell” to be only what it was defined as and used as in Old English – “to cover or conceal” as in helling or thatching a roof.

    “………………Go through all 31 verses of Scripture in which sheol is translated into the English word hell, and count all of the times that we find the words: condemned souls, devils, eternal punishment, Satan, separation of God, evil, misery, discord or destruction, torment, anguish.
    .
    1. condemned souls is found ZERO times
    2. devils ZERO times
    3. eternal punishment (or punish alone) ZERO times
    4. Satan ZERO times
    5. separation of God ZERO times
    6. evil ZERO times
    7. misery ZERO times
    8. discord or destruction ZERO times
    9. torment ZERO times
    10. anguish ZERO times
    ———————-
    TOTAL: ZERO!
    .
    Also check this out;
    .
    http://bible-truths.com/lake16-C.html (The Origin of Endless Punishment)

  28. George Neo said – “… Hell is only in the minds of men, like anything, one has the ‘free will’ as Co-Creators to create Heaven or Hell…”

    … and creepy Bill and Klaus have certainly done their bit to manifest Heaven for all of us here on Earth.

    And George Neo said – “… Although why choose the latter?”

    Indubitably. Why can’t all these Useless eaters just STFU and own nothing and be happy? Oh, and die on cue, just BTW.

    And shiver me timbers if George Neo didn’t say – “… At the other end of the scale, the personification of both God & the Devil are illusions…”

    Well, now we have a philosophy here which seems replete with contradictions and internal inconsistencies. And arbitrary customisations and exclusions.

    Anyone who has met with an Angel or, perish the thought, a Demon or worse, an actual Devil, even the Bad Boy himself, would be rather persuaded that they’re dealing with an independent entity, and not just some cartoonish sketch plucked out of one’s feverish arse in an unguarded moment, or a child’s story to scare them before sleepy bo-bos. Even the Big Bad Wolf is real, although some apparently presume those big dogs are just somehow mental extrusions.

    And if we really want to split hairs, if THOSE creatures, in all their jaw-dropping and terrifying splendour, are to be dismissed as just fleeting figments of our imagination, or let’s really stretch the envelope here and say they’re just projections of our contorted mindsets, then where do we draw the line?

    How do we distinguish who among all the alleged Humans are not really real but are just phantoms squirting from our minds with a giggle and a wink? And what about all the other species cohabiting the material realm here with us in all our manifested confusion? Who exactly is contriving all those tigers with their perfectly consistent stripe sets? Or are they contemplating US into existence because they’re feeling a bit peckish? Chinese dragons would like to know.

    You can’t have it both ways. Or infinite ways, as this nebulous speculation seems to propose.

    Sounds to me like we’ve just strayed into an even more macabre edition of Alice’s Wonderland, where anyone can believe three impossible things before breakfast and the Jabberwocky has brought his whole extended family.

    TBH I’d be rather more inclined to take the word of an eyewitness or three, rather than the musings of armchair philosophers who construct their own concise framework of reality built on idiosyncratic preferences.

  29. Sparring between NoWhere Man & Pat is certainly entertaining! Definitely go along with the idea that Hell is only in the minds of men, like anything, one has the ‘free will’ as Co-Creators to create Heaven or Hell. Although why choose the latter?

    At the other end of the scale, the personification of both God & the Devil are illusions. It is said that God loves us SO much, granting ALL our desires (free will again) whether it’s for the Good or Evil. Why would the Promise of the Divine, All Loving, All Powerful, offer anything less? (This explains the age-old question: Why does God allow suffering?). The ‘desires’ are nothing more than Thought patterns, hence the importance of Mind Self-Control instead of third-party Mind Fear-Control.

    THAT’s how POWERFUL we are as Co-Creators! Better explained in the top comment at ht tps://cairnsnews.org/2025/03/29/when-government-takes-your-guns-you-die-look-at-the-numbers-from-around-the-world/#respond last week on how to manifest a Living Hell, or a Golden Age. Taking RESPONSIBLITY for our Creations, rather than deny them. Both individually, or collectively.

    On the topic at hand, the ratio of Gay to Straight is always around 10%, regardless of culture. In highly-evolved cultures, this is fully accepted, where some males are naturally domestic, & some females hunt as fierce warriors. It’s a reflection of primitive society that makes such a fuss over trivial matters. The Gay affliction is one that is deliberately pre-chosen, BEFORE birth, either for the experience, or to re-pay karmic debts, or whatever other reason.

    Such “Laws” are not necessary in highly-evolved culture, but can be very necessary in primitive culture. So thank you for raising the issue, as it forces us to ‘look’ at ourselves, as a species. As mentioned before, Mankind is on a threshold of Waking Up after centuries of oppression, domination, & atrocious suffering.

    As NOTHING is coincidence, you can choose whether to get involved, or not. If LGBTQ knocks loudly on your door, then you may be advised to answer it. Otherwise give the sparring partners space in order for them to fulfill their role-play (all the world’s a stage after all). Is it advisable to interfere? One way to heal disharmony that in no way appears to affect self, is to ask, “What is it within me, that has caused this disharmony to occur?”. If enough people did this, the disharmony would magically disappear (related to the 100th Monkey principle).

    Autonomy Training is an opportunity to reject a world view that may prefer to be told What to think, instead of How to think. That is precisely why self-imposed mind control and being Authentic is so important: we are literally creating our reality with our thoughts, false judgements, and beliefs. This explains why mindset can create Hell, when Hell itself does not exist. It’s All in the Mind, Manifested as Matter. Or, the Universe is Mental/Spiritual, not physical/material as it appears to be. Nothing more.

  30. Anybody would think there are no other important matters that politicians need to attend to, apart from sexuality matters. A person cannot change their sex, so let it stay as that. They may wish to be the opposite sex but their
    chromosomes do not change. They may also want to be heartless (in real terms) but that is as impossible as changing ones sex.

    It appears that sexual perversion is the main thing on most politicians minds.

  31. So does that mean that in Australia it’s OK and legal to encourage heterosexuals to convert to homosexuality but it’s illegal to encourage homosexuals to convert to heterosexuality? Is that what it means?

    Is that why we have gay Mardi Gras rather than straight Mardi Gras in Australia? We can promote one but not the other?

  32. The people in power allegedly are completely and dangerously unhinged >
    THE CHILDREN OF THE WORLD ARE IN REAL DANGER > SEE >
    “Sexual Deviance” at the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION ? – The “Comprehensive Sexuality Education” Project
    Children Watch Pornography at School, WHO Policy Framework. Teach Toddlers Masturbation and Sex at School
    By Stop World Control
    Global Research, March 28, 2023
    Children watch pornography at school and then practice together, as part of “comprehensive sexuality education”, AS INSTRUCTED BY THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION AND UNITED NATIONS.
    Below you find two screenshots from official documents published by the World Health Organization and United Nations. They instruct schools worldwide to teach toddlers masturbation and sexual techniques.
    Please read in full and share widely >
    globalresearch.ca/sexual-deviance-at-the-who-the-comprehensive-sexuality-education-project/5813724

    ——-
    Defund and Exit the WHO and UN as a matter of extreme urgency
    ——-

    Trannie-loving gay Green Kiwi MP accused of transitioning his male child
    Greens/Libs/Lab/Teals allegedly don’t even care about precious babies full term aborted / born live and left to scream themselves to death – what murdering f* ing m0ngrels some so called human beings / politicians are >
    cairnsnews.org/?s=full+term+abortion
    They do not care whatsoever about the lives, freedoms and rights of the people – not even the most precious gift, our babies.

    ——-
    The Burnett Foundation – Note: All their ‘Funders’ – including ‘Councils’, ANZ and more >
    burnettfoundation.org.nz/support-and-partnerships/our-supporters/

  33. The politicians and others, pre-election promises were not promises.
    They expressed views, opinions which had no foundation in law.
    Where are the churches?
    How can a small minority achieve this.
    Who is really behind it. We need names.

  34. I want to know why Australian politicians are allowing this filth to happen in this country!

    EVERY SINGLE NWO POLITICIAN NEEDS TO GO!

    Bring on the new constitutional ‘Republic of Australia’ and make Christian moral standards and family values ‘Great Again!’

    Military is the only way! (Q)

  35. This state obsession with children’s’ normally non-existent sexuality is a clear reflection of how far we have fallen. Full term abortions and mutilating the most vulnerable of all of us I’m sure fills at least 1/2 of us with disgust and contempt. I guess I was a ‘late starter’ at 16 but damn sure which side of reality my sex was on. I didn’t require help as instinct and young love kicked in. No sexpert advice was required from the sidelines. Back then Aunty Jack was just a joke from a time when the Government left you alone and all you had to do was enjoy the great Aussie lifestyle, society and its great outdoors where you were free to explore.
    We have no Trumpian big stick to flush them all out of their parliamentary grand cave at Canbugga or channel them towards a cliff due to their lemming like behaviours. No options at all when a certified mental illness slowly becomes law to fester (body dysphoria), enshrined in law. Like telling some psychotic patient he is Jesus and can fly. Nothing except conscientious objection is left now and just not participate at all in this now corrupted society, just like my unplanned retirement enabled me to and watch Rome burn. They took one last tax chunk of the super but what’s left is all mine now and absolves me from this horrible atrocity of a Government system and the sick society it seeks to enforce.

  36. Mr. NoWhere Man said – “… I don’t think you know what is controlling you…”

    Kissies?

    [ youtube.com/watch?v=3fcDVeGKdiQ ]

  37. Hey folks,

    Val Kilmer, Gene Hackman… just like Tsunamis, folks, these things come in threes.

    So who’s next?

    If someone held a gun to my head and forced me to take a stab in the dark, then I’d say Danny Devito, or maybe Robert de Niro. Hey, when you have a gun to your head, you’ll say anything.

  38. I don’t think you know what is controlling you Pat. You “think” it’s you…but an immediate pointless mocking post tells who/what it is.

    “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.”

  39. Mr. NoWhere Man said – “… Take it or leave it, no real harm can come to The Real…”

    Are you telling us we should all move to Brazil?

    Hey, I get it now, really I do!

    [ youtube.com/watch?v=ZF0Ka10-3Cg ]

  40. Oh, well, you wanted to know what lies beyond Reality, you wanted to “create” a “reality” more to your liking, because well, what if GOD was withholding/depriving something of value from us that we deserved?

    Hahaha…well here we are!
    The ego pulled a Bait and Switch on us!

    Threats of “hell”? Hehe…I guess they still refuse to acknowledge what this absurd world is.
    Sure, there are different levels and layers that might contain some of the appearances and sensations of “classical hell”, but they are only a perceptual experience and have no force or basis in True(Objective) Reality.

    Therefore cannot be binding.

    And the only one that can send anyone there is themselves. GOD has nothing to do with it, “hell” isn’t “real” to GOD.

    But then there are the misguided propagandists…who try to get others to believe as they do, thereby installing a risk of being “condemned to hell”…by a false-god=IMPOSTER=SATAN , another hallucination of a horrific kind that is the ultimate denial of TRUTH.

    Who would deny that many, many people are already experiencing “hell” right here in this world, yesterday, today, and tomorrow?
    What’s the difference? Because it’s not for “eternity”?

    Be glad, “hell” cannot be Eternal…though it can “seem” like a long time…

    GOD Knows not of “hell”…a sick fantasy dreamed up by a consciousness under the spell of the devil(a make believe idea(deceit) that has captured their minds).

    GOD doesn’t support the IDEA of “hell”, we made it up while off on/in a Dream Of Delusion. “Exploring”.

    They prefer to remain in denial that their subjective idea of “reality” is actually a private fantasy that is virtually detached from what Actually IS Reality.

    Basically if you are projecting that someone else will/must “go to hell”, you’re setting yourself up for it…your projection WON’T have any effect on the target, UNLESS you can get them to believe as you believe…and then the poison is “shared’, the “virus” of deceit spreads.

    This is part of what Jesus Christ was trying to communicate.

    If you believe (any of) the lies of the devil, you would never escape it’s DOMAIN.
    It is a predatory/parasitic pseudo-consciousness, a projection of the ego, that cannot exist/be in ACTUAL REALITY.
    It rules UNREALITY=INSANITY.

    I cannot be “sent to hell” by anyone but myself. And neither can anyone else.

    The ONLY “judgement” is between what is true and thereby real, and the opposite of that. One has real value and is Eternal, the other is NOTHING and Nowhere beyond a “momentary lapse of Reason”(this dream of deceit).
    Is there any truth/reality in you?

    Jesus’ mission was rescue, salvation, redemption by/of TRUTH=REALITY.

    Take it or leave it, no real harm can come to The Real.

  41. Thanks to the cellular telephones the government has found a way to sit right in our pocket and “help” us every minute of the day

  42. Lawrence said – “… The dirty filth low life mentally disturbed fagots can go screw themselves…”

    Well, there’s the problem, because they will, eagerly and enthusiastically, and all of us as well, and especially our children.

  43. The dirty filth low life mentally disturbed fagots can go screw themselves…

  44. Clearly the intent of the law will be to enable all institutions in receipt of Federal monies to ‘push’ Marxist transgender ideology through all the vectors that have been used to such good effect to roll out White Priviledge Education, Diversity is our Strength workshops and multi-cultural sensitivity training etc and impose this (along with CoVID genetic modification shots) on the working public.

    These are Marxist Struggle Sessions conducted by trained Marxist PCOs, Counselors, Mediators, Groomers, etc and backed up by Screws. Soon to be implemented in a kindergarten near you – if not already.

    Now this blowtorch is being applied to the religious institutions which entertain antiquated, repressive ideas that genetically and biologically there are two genders such as: a person is not ‘assigned’ a gender a birth. A natural person is born as either a XX/XX nutter or an XX/XY nutter. Even two year old baby brother can identify a baby sister or a baby brother. But now he is going to hear, probably at Day Care, ‘Now Bruce, we don’t really know if the new little baby in your family is a girl. Are you really a boy? The little baby you are calling a sister might decide to be a little boy [or any one of 60 creative genders – all with their own pronoun and ideology]. We have to wait and see what baby will decide about that.’ Or more likely what gender she will be assigned by her Kindergarten Gender PCO.

    In a modern Western society there are a wide range of gender fluid social roles and occupations. I mean, anybody but anybody, can put on some kind of weird outfit, visit a group of people who live in a No Go Zone (for Australians), promote Open Border migration and sign off on policies for more people (from a ‘global majority’ population) to come to Australia to study massage, yoga, hospitality etc.

    Baby sister should have to at least wait until high school to dye her hair green and decide that she is really a non-binary iguana – pronoun IG and everybody has to call her IGGI. She must absolutely wait until she is at least 18 to decide to be permanently, surgically altered and chemically castrated.

  45. Bill Francis
    you are totally right mate, and I would not want to be in their shoes when they face him at judgement Hebrews 10:31 it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

  46. Smell that stench, folks? That’s sulfur and burning flesh.

    Because all those abominations in the headline photo are going to Hell.

    Should be interesting to see if they can hold their smiles while their arses are roasting in Hellfire.

  47. It appears that straight to queer conversion is not a problem, only queer to straight. Although the queer lobby want to remove Jesus Christ from society, they are unfortunately going to have to face him in the judgment.

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