The Wiembilla house occupied by the Train family when the shooting started. Police SERT members according to sources, are equipped with 30.06 calibre rifles and when fired from 100 metres the projectiles are capable of passing through the front wall and exiting the rear wall of the house. The house now should have the appearance of a colander.
An inquest into the Wieambilla shootings that claimed six lives including two police officers could be kept from examining “extremely sensitive” material.
Queensland State Coroner Terry Ryan held a second pre-inquest conference in Brisbane today into the December 2022 killings.
Constables Matthew Arnold, 26, and Rachel McCrow, 29, were wounded then fatally shot at close range within 10 minutes of entering a rural Wieambilla property for a welfare check on a missing person.
Barrister Ian Freckelton KC, appearing for the Queensland police commissioner, applied to have several items excluded from being considered by the coroner under a claim of public interest immunity.
The nature of that material cannot be published for legal reasons.
Freckelton said there was a well-established precedent for certain material to be excluded from an inquest.
“The material is extremely sensitive … the risk is that its public availability would erode the capacity of those protecting us to do their jobs and assist those who have malign intentions,” Freckelton said.
Barrister Patrick McCafferty KC, appearing for more than 30 police officers involved in the shooting, said he supported the material being kept from the public but it needed to be directly scrutinised by the inquest.
“We take issue with the attempt to conceal or keep secret from Your Honour (that material). It is deeply concerning to those I represent,” McCafferty said.
Queensland Police Union barrister Justin Greggery KC and a barrister for the Arnold and McCrow families also opposed the police commissioner’s application, claiming it could affect the coroner’s ability to address some of the issues and concerns at the inquest.
Counsel assisting Ruth O’Gorman KC said a compromise could be reached in which particular material was kept by the court and viewed only by legal practitioners or in hearings closed to the public.
Ryan said he would respond to all applications for public interest immunity and non-publication orders by the end of the week.
The draft list of issues for the inquest has been expanded to consider what NSW authorities knew about the suspects before they opened fire on four police officers at Wieambilla.
The officers had attended the property to inquire about a missing person report concerning Nathaniel Train, in response to contact from NSW Police.
The draft witness list now includes seven members of the NSW Police Force, including the commissioner.
The inquest’s draft schedule has the inquest’s hearings starting on July 29 and running for at least four weeks.
It is hard to imagine just what evidence the Commissioner does not want to make public. Cairns News is of the opinion this concealed evidence could reveal certain police involvement in criminal activities.
Ken Mackenzie: “A list of some possible PII reasons is set out in section 599AQ(2) of the Criminal Code:”
What do any of those criminal law subsections have to do with a regular “welfare call” by a police unit that went wrong? Or are you de facto suggesting that there was much more to the incident than meets the eye and what the public is told?
Unlike the editor, I have no difficulty imagining the sorts of information that could properly be restricted on the grounds of public interest.
They usually relate to protecting confidential sources of information, intelligence (and we know in this case there’s an international intelligence sharing aspect and an ongoing prosecution in the USA), and police “methodologies” – that is, tricks and technologies that won’t work as well if the criminals know about them.
A list of some possible PII reasons is set out in section 599AQ(2) of the Criminal Code:
(a) there are reasonable grounds for considering disclosure of the thing would—
(i) prejudice the security, defence or international relations of Australia; or
(ii) damage relations between the Commonwealth and a State or between 2 or more States; or
(iii) facilitate the commission of another offence; or
(iv) prejudice the prevention, investigation or prosecution of an offence; or
(v) prejudice the usefulness of surveillance or other detection methods; or
(vi) disclose, or enable a person to find out, the existence or identity of a confidential source of information relating to the enforcement or administration of a law of the Commonwealth or a State; or
(vii) ..
I guess Trainor saw the “murder-suicide team” on his cctv so called the real police, who got taken out for their trouble. Their poor neighbour too.
This operation had a foul smell about it right from the start. How do people approaching a house get shot in the back by those in the house? If I remember rightly the neighbour was also shot in the back. Why would his neighbour need to shoot him?
maggoo said – “Very good reason to take him out, indeed.”
And what loyal Freemason wouldn’t do that for a Freemasonic brother? Child trafficking and blood sacrifices are their thing, after all.
Never mind that the demonic harpie fake “Police Commissioner” is, strictly speaking, a Freemasonic “sister” – but who knows HOW they refer to their members when they get to those heady blood-drinking heights of Satanic worship?
Thank goodness we have people who put their lives on the line to protect us from the Truth, the whole Truth and everything but the Truth.
ANYTHING that has to be “kept from the public” is to protect those that have committed serious and critical “offence”. Remember Nathaniel Train, a teacher, had already reported to a senator sex offences against children by those “higher up” the food chain at one of the schools he taught! Very good reason to take him out, indeed.
I am with zzz3856. The whole story of that shooting reeks of something nefarious in high places and if so of nothing unusual here except that this is literally a “boy’s club” , where they are protecting their own so they can protect their perverted habits. The catch-phrase “we are all in this together”, was not intended for the paupers like us, even though many thought they had our interest at heart. Lies and deceptions all around.
If we find out that the cops got the land as they were rumoured to, we have our suspect red-handed. How many other massacres involved annexing real estate, starting now and going back: Gaza, Ukraina, Hawaii, Rohingas and Myanmar northern states, Uyghuristan ( now renamed Xinjiang ), Yemen, Syria, well everywhere really, it goes back to the monkeys in Stanley Kubrick’s “Space Odyssey”, there has to be a motive, it’s way beyond an accident
I pointed out the absurd fiction of this slaughter at the time. For a person to approach a wounded cop and put their own gun down in order to pick up the cop’s gun whilst 2 other armed police officers are still in the immediate area has zero credibility, as does the notion that they would then wait around for an hour for the special operations team to show up. The simple fact of the slaughter is that all six people who died were killed by police bullets. Of course, with the passage of time and some serious obfuscation from authorities we are supposed to forget these details.
The official narrative has holes in it so big you could drive a bus through it.
It smacks of a police cover up and now they want to remove evidence from scrutiny.
The old saying stays true!
“It’s not the crime it’s the cover up”
Losing credibility everyday.
Nobody trusts the police anymore in Queensland anymore for good reason.
The TRUTH, the whole TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH!
TRUTH is not an option, it’s an imperative!!!! Anything else is a manipulation of the public and of justice.
And NO, we don’t pay our public servants to manipulate us, or to manipulate ANYTHING ELSE for that matter!
Any suggestion that we can’t handle the truth must be punishable as treachery and treason with a lengthy gaol term.
Why would we have trust and faith in any apparatchiks, politicians or public “servants” who have no faith in us?
“Keep the bastards honest” ! What’s wrong with that idea, folks?
Courts are there to ascertain the TRUTH… hiding evidence because it will embarrass some of those involved is contrary to the spirit of the law…. and deeply suspicious to the public. The public have lost all trust in the government and police, and hiding the truth in an inquest like this only cements that opinion even further. We, the People of the Commonwealth, and the MASTERS of the government SERVANTS demand that all information is revealed. We will not stand for any attempts to hide the truth any more.
the opinion this concealed evidence could reveal certain police involvement in criminal activities — The two rookie cops were sacrifices to send in a SWAT team to murder the Trains, consistent with threats they’d received from police.
see link https://t.me/nworeset1984/23
Remember Howard let us know the 90 yr suppression-orders were necessary on the 28 to retain confidence in the judiciary. Is that not an admission of guilt ? They ALL must go NOW !
Examine the bullets. Which gun/s did they come from?
Problem solved. Or is this just too simplistic?
Or is this the evidence being withheld?
Would not be surprised if the two policy enforcers were “sacrificed” by their own. Something crook in Tootgarook. Absolutely stinks. We all know about Port Arthur & the authorities could not care less we know. Truth is inevitable now, cannot be stopped. Old Melbourne jail I believe would be a suitable place for retribution 💀🍿
It’s the same reasoning for the NSW police secret list of high profile pedophiles being kept secret: “The public would lose confidence in the police, the political, legal and judicial system. As I have stated, we need a complete ballistics report; whose gun shot whom, nothing outrageous in that.
another port arthur ..except they killed the patsy this time
Q: Since when is a Government hiding the truth from the people EVER a justified public interest?
A: When it’s in the Government’s interest.
Q: When is it in the Government’s interest?
A: When it’s not in the public interest.
The suppression of TRUTH is a lie by any other name.
“EXECUTED the hapless neighbor eye-witness.” – There were TWO civilian eyewitnesses that visited the scene. One survived and went back to inform the wife of the dead witness.
When interviewed after being briefed by the surviving witness, the wife stated she didn’t know who shot her husband. In other words, the surviving witness (who knew the Trains) did not recognize who they were.
I discussed the information I had and what further inquiries needed to be made way back when this incident occurred. The EDITOR has that information (like the name of the other witness),
It took me two weeks to find out there was a second witness. I found that out by reading a NEW ZEALAND newspaper. It was kept out of the Australian press. It was about another month before I obtained the name of the second witness. That witness has never been interviewed in the Oz press. – The PTB are trying to keep his evidence and even his existence hidden from the masses.
Dandy said – “Who defines ‘public interest’?”
Well, it’s all a matter of CORPORATE POLICY.
IOW, the alleged “Public Interest” is in fact whatever suits the CORPORATIONS that occupy every echelon of supposed Australian “governance”.
Which is utterly OPPOSED to the interests of the Australian people.
And why did they arrest Trains’ friend, Donald Day (think that’s his name), extradited him from US. Probably because he made that now banned video in which he said Train was about to expose pedophilia of high ranking police in the area he was working.
“under a claim of public interest immunity”.
The public needs to wake up and realise that this is the tool they use to hide the truth from them.
On a regular basis.
“public interest”!
More like it’s in their interest.
Well let me tell you, the public is very interested and the only ones squirming are the ones who have something to hide.
Even the ‘Public Disclosure Act’ is there to deter whistleblowers from disclosing irregular or illegal actions that are occurring within ‘Government’ Departments and among ‘public’ servants.
Didn’t one of the Trains have information about paedophilia within the Education Department?
That would have been a real cracker and would be very interesting for the public.
The public can’t clean up the mess if they keep hiding the evidence.
‘Public interest’ is their tool they use to hide what really is going on.
Who defines ‘public interest’?
What makes them the all knowing authority in a corrupted system?
Something Has Rotted in the State of Queensland.
There is nothing wrong with the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
No matter how bad, it can only sanitize the STENCH of lies we’ve so far heard. Accept no less Queenslanders!
Totally Obvious Premeditated Murder!
Editor, cairnsnews said – “An inquest into the Wieambilla shootings that claimed six lives including two police officers could be kept from examining “extremely sensitive” material.”
Yeah, we know right?
Details like the two unwitting doe-eyed recruits were assassinated FROM BEHIND by the fake corporate “police” Assassination Squad to give credibility to their preplanned tactical operation to kill the Trains. And a nice little bonus Satanic blood sacrifice to the fake corporate “Police Commissioner” Freemason Mob Boss and her master Lucifer.
And the awkward teensy weensy little detail that the fake corporate “police” Assassination Squad EXECUTED the hapless neighbor eye-witness. All a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but dead men tell no tales, after all.
And all the incriminating forensic ballistic evidence. And all the rest.
Not to mention the cringingly gauche revelation that the fake corporate “police” GIFTED the Trains’ property to THEMSELVES after they MURDERED anyone and everyone with a legal claim to the joint.
And all those people on the neighboring properties aren’t gonna say NOTHING, because they KNOW what happens to anyone who makes waves or sees something that they SHOULDN’T.
As Cartman would say – “That’s the way it is in the Wild Wild West”. Especially seeing as how we’re dealing with a pack of foreign-owned corporate granny-bashing child-molesting mass-murdering baby-eating sold-out anti-Australian shit-for-brains hired mercenary gangster Satanic psychopaths with not the slightest shred of any Human conscience or respect for Human dignity whatsoever.
I may be naive but why have a closed or semi closed hearing which deliberately hides information from the Public if the Gov has nothing to hide, what are they afraid of?????????????? This whole sad business reeks of lackof transparency from the start & has from the start. Very starnge.
The police (employees of a corporation…not government police) were there as an assault team.
They had no business looking for someone who was not lost.
If you turn up with an army, you can expect a battle to occur.
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