Qld Govt says it owns rainfall once it hits the ground on your property

Lakeland farmers have been told they no longer own the water after rainfall hits the ground on their properties.

Desperate for irrigation water to keep their banana crops alive the State Government delivered a mortal blow preventing farmers from building any more dams over 50 megalitres capacity without applying for an expensive licence.

Mareeba-based Department of Natural Resources, Mines and Energy officer Patrick Huber broke the devastating news at a meeting of Lakeland farmers recently.

Mr Huber stressed that water caught in domestic rainwater tanks was safe from government hands but any other water belonged to the State.

Releasing the Draft Water Plan for Cape York Peninsula he said overland flow had to be protected and the department would soon require land owners with existing dams, large or small, to supply dam measurements and capacities to the department.

Within 12 months of receiving the information the DNR would then issue a licence for the water and install meters on all private dams to get an idea of water usage.

Qld farmers under plans by the Department of Natural Resources will soon be paying for their own water stored in their own dams on freehold property.

When questioned if the reason for water meters was to charge landowners for their own water, Mr Huber said there was no mention of this in the draft plan.

It was pointed out that other Labor states began charging farmers fees for private water storages more than a decade ago but DNR staff denied this was their intention.

The Draft Plan allowed for total usage of only 2.5 per cent of the entire water availability on Cape York, which did not impress the meeting.

In the Normanby Basin which includes Lakeland, “the Draft Bill allows 2000 ml for general use but has allocated 16,000 ml to indigenous groups because they are the largest landowners under the Cape York Peninsula Heritage Act,” Mr Huber said.

“If farmers require more water allocation they can buy it from various indigenous bodies at commercial water trading prices.”

The Plan allows for a total of 516,350 ml of unallocated water across Cape York.

Lakeland stud cattle breeder Bill Reddie questioned why no more dams could be built saying he had lived at Lakeland since the 1980’s.

“There is more water going down our gullies than 30 years ago which could be caught,” Mr Reddie commented.

Weipa grazier Mr John Witherspoon said he was angry the DNR had not provided any allocation in the Watson catchment or allowed more water for farm usage across the Cape.

“The State Government is right out of touch with the Peninsula and we should be demonstrating against them over taking away our water rights and charging so much just to apply for a licence with no guarantee of getting it,” Mr Witherspoon said.

In attendance at the meeting was Katters Australian Party candidate for Leichardt Dan McCarthy who questioned the reason for restricting land owners access to the vast amount of fresh water on Cape York thus preventing any further agricultural development.

“I am very concerned about the overarching policy of only allowing 2.5 per cent of water that falls on Cape York for farming,” Mr McCarthy said.

Katters Australian candidate for Leichardt(Cape York) Dan McCarthy says KAP policy is that landowners own water on their properties, which has been held at Common Law since Federation.

“The government needs to make up their minds. They are restricting access to a mere 2.5 per cent of rainfall that falls from the sky claiming any more would be detrimental to the environment, yet on the other hand they squeal like a stuck pig that runoff is killing the reef.

“We are blessed with abundant water during the wet season and we should be encouraging land owners to capture more water rather than the State Government persecuting them for using a natural resource.

“It’s disgraceful situation that legislation is leading towards farmers having to install meters on their own dams on their own properties which will lead to them having to pay for their own water..

“We are constantly told that runoff is killing the barrier reef but farmers want to capture water runoff.

“KAP policy is that farmers own any water that falls on their property so how is it they can eventually charge farmers for their own water? – contributed


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Posted on July 29, 2018, in Agenda 2030, agenda21, agriculture, australian Labor Party, bob katter, United Nations and tagged , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 87 Comments.

  1. WHY do Queenslanders vote Labor back in, time after time, when they see the ridiculous laws they make and the corruptness that goes on?
    This is all part of Labor’s Marxist plan to drive our farmers out and make Australia a 3rd world country.We are headed that way.
    The sensible plan would be to build more dams, as Katter’s party stated, and catch all that water in the wet season.VOTE LABOR OUT!

  2. I forgot to add….they will be wanting to tax the air we breathe next, because it’s THEIR air? Something has to be one to stop the ruination of our once Lucky country by fools!

    • That’s what carbon trading was all about: taxing the air we breathe. They’ve already been there. The (((Global Bankers))) who supported and enabled this must have been laughing into their bagels.

      • Great to see someone who hints at the real puppeteers of this entire anti-Australian govt together with their (((international bankers))). The root source of the hidden destructive power that rules this country must be identified and routed to put an end to this and all other treachery to Australians.

  3. Jeffrey C Sill

    Fee Simple Title look it up. also ask the Politicians if the legislation has been lawfully Assented by a lawfully appointed Governor, answer NO. Therefore the is no law put a sign on your gate warning any Government Officers and or contractors not to trespass. If you are taken tot Court you just ask for the lawfully sworn Oath of Office, they can’t because they didn’t swear a lawful Oath . Case dismissed.

  4. peter schuback

    I have had this out wu=it’s the once again. , Last time at a meeting in Gracemere Queensland . If they own the water they own the damage their water does , another thing is that water that is directly caught in a dam or rain water tank does not hit the ground . Govenment can not claim to wn the water if they wont accept the responsibility for the damage done by their asset. 9the water 0

    Sent from my iPad

  5. I note the majority still vote labour so will the government credit the freehold land owner when it doesn’t rain

    • I took the then federal Ministers office, Baby Joyce (WHO WOULDNT TALK TO ME) to task on a dam and was informed by his 2 IC that Australia no longer controlled the water resources in Australia.
      I informed him of the Australian Constitution, (and don’t forget Quick and Garren”s notes that are a must read to understand how the Constitution was formed and how it works) and that we had not had a referendum to change the Constitution. He was quiet, I then asked who does control our water, the conversation ended abruptly with no answer.
      I recorded the conversation in its entirety for my personal safety and think I still have it.
      If this is true then this is treason, I would be a hanging judge.

  6. What rubbish, read the Australian constitution, section 100, this is an attempt to pervert the course of justice ie, the main and founding law in Australia the Constitution.

  7. Form a water users association as a not for profit organisation, pool resources SC Mark Robinson in Sydney or SC Maurice Byers will be smart enough to stick the Constitution to these un- Australian traitors.

  8. This is absolutely sick agenda 21 at work in this country a UN pushed program and sponsored by the big mega banks to bring this country down and depopulate the earth by some 95% by there own admissions this is crazy and it must be stopped at all costs before there is nothing left of not only this country but civilisation as a whole. People get off the couch turn off the TV while your watching reality TV and master chief your losing your country to these crazy scum bags who are targeting your very lives and are planning to take not only you out but your family as well stand up get in the fight and take action you need to be waking people up and lighting the brush fires of liberty in every human being you see and deal with on a daily basis.

  9. Steve southen

    Take them to the high court.where does it state that they own the rain .
    Where does it state you have to have a lic yo build a dam on your own property

  10. RESEARCH QUERY: When, where and In what Circumstances( Drought 2001-09?) did the Idea of ‘Gouging’ Farmer’s for Water gain traction? In Sydney?? Please Research this and Post the Answer c Wikipedia!!!

  11. It is time to “drain the swamp!”

  12. Keith McConnell

    These dams are the bery reason that the entire Murray/Darling catchment is suffering. Everyone wants to dam all the water, use it or sell it. MASSIVE cotton growers which once produced product have become water dealers as they have illegally altered water courses to divert water and pumped rivers dry.

    Whats the problem you ask? The poor bastards downstream who drink that water that flows there now have to pack up and move, sell the farm which is now worthless and watch the land around them become unarable. Now the inland desert spreads as the natural water course has been altered. Now cattle producers inland cant have cattle because there artesian bores have dried up and every time it rains the water never goes where it once did.

    Now the alternative… the government builds it’s own damn and floods all this land which you had your farm on which is now worthless. Now they control the outflows and whocan buy water and where.

    Seems like a simple solution to a simple problem. I need more water to expand/secure my business so I’ll just build a big fucken dam. Therefore the solution is much more complex as are tge requirements for each peraon that relies on the catchmemt. Look North to Cubbie stations gigalitres of storage holding back water which runs through 4 states and south to Qld/Nsw border, the robbery at the tax payers expense sanctioned by a useless federal agriculture minister.

    Open your eyes, follow the money and dont just blame Labor… the country deserves better

    • Thanks Keith for a balanced view! Ed

    • Luke Hargreaves

      On the other hand we have immeasurable volumes of water running out to sea in a wet season event such as a cyclone which is far in excess of environmental needs and this could be redirected to all inland areas and even the Murray basin. I totally agree the demand has outgrown the resource so rather than fight it out about who gets what lets be visionary and re purpose the flows that we have to meet all current and future demand. This Utopian view that we must return to fully functional natural systems where man is the beast and can not exist is total bullshit, we are meant to improve the environment not just let dog eat dog. The Feds are bound to the foreign sponsored Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Act and this must be repealed before we can solve these issues.

  13. This is a completely rediculous concept. Cocky’s already have it hard enough in general. Why should the government be slugging them for water they capture on their own land? This government needs a good kick up the ass. How much more unrealistic do they want to make things?

  14. Peter O'Brien

    Yeah air tax next! Don’t breath to deep it’ll cost ya a fortune!!!

  15. If the Government says it owns the water then ANY damage caused by THEIR water must be paid for so when a flood occurs 100% of the cost is by the persons that own the water That will drop insurance bills for floods. Also just a small matter of section 100 of the constitution
    100. Nor abridge right to use water
    The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade or commerce, abridge the right of a State or of the
    residents therein to the reasonable use of the waters of rivers for conservation or irrigation

  16. God is the only one who owns the rain get real government you are not God and you will answer for your inconsiderate and blatantly hardheartedness towards those that suffer, give the farmers a little of what you earn a month and it would make a difference. You are a selfish and cruel when it comes to looking after our own people struggling compared to making money.

  17. What a bunch of idiots these politicians are. I hope they take ownership of the weeds that are nurtured by their water and pay the land owner for their eradication.

  18. Why don’t they just ban farming altogether and be done with it as they are making it impossible for Farmers to produce anything.

    Don’t they realise pretty much everything they put in their mouths comes from a farmer.

  19. What the heck!!!?? If this is truly happening then being an Australian makes me embarrassed!

  20. Can I just say to everyone in Queensland and all over the world the government DO NOT own rain water not anywhere in the world.

    This is a bunch of jumped up politicians who are trying to con you by making up rules to make money from the very people they are suppose to represent. It’s not rocket science to know that rain water is a natural source and no one has any claim of ownership.

    Don’t let them get away with this….Stand your ground! What Mother Nature provides NO ONE owns. Don’t be fooled by the men in suits who are lining their own pockets with your money simply because they make the rules that allow them to do such things. Always remember there are more of you than there are of them and you have the numbers and the power to put a stop to this madness.

      • I’m hearing you there! Problem; How do we stand our ground?
        The bulk of the country clearly has no idea which is easily confirmed by them VOTING for either of the majors, or even greens, and Pauline etc.
        They are representative of others who do not have our best interests in mind but tell you they do.
        We, who are old enough, have all seen their lies yet continue to vote like it will change things. IT WILL NOT! Get over R v’s L politics and realise its all a SHAM! Vote your neighbors dog in…… they have no knowledge of corporate politics, reserve banking, fractional lending and insider trading….. Just like most of the people here.Your guts tell you something is wrong, it is. WHAT TO DO??

    • The Government then also owns the pollution in the air that infects us all. This opens a can of worms that the Government wouldn’t like opened. If the Government owns the water they are fully responsible for all flooding & therefore owes money to many families.

  21. If they own the water when it hits the ground then they are legally responsible for the damage caused by it ..

  22. This is absolutely disgraceful!

  23. Tell the premier Bill has battled like Christ to get Labor over the line federally and this shit doesn’t help Labor or the farmers in their endeavors

  24. This qld minister should be placed under investigation because the rain is for ever one and just not for the minister of mining resourses to do as he pleases infact the water natural environment resourse shouldn’t have anything to do mining I’m amazed at the political situation in this I think our economy doesn’t need greed at this point in stage and the prime minister of our counrty should get his head out of this man’s asshole and do something instead of shagging the mining minister. This country is supposed to be the land of freedom and opportunity not oppression wake and smell the shit you people got us Australians in. Amen GREED IS NOT TOLERATED

  25. Our government is seriously demented, they’d sell their granny got an extra dollar. Quit this insane stupidity now, you are already questionable, now you are just the laughing stock of humanity except we are not laughing. Talk about killing the golden goose.

  26. Fracking needs copious amounts of water and if farms build large dams then coal seam gas mining can’t go ahead because there may not be the water available! It’s all about the Mining!!!

  27. If we the ordinary workers who are affected by these idiot people making up ridiculous laws and rules to keep themselves in work in the cities were to take control of and cut off the water that supplies the city so that their pet animals died and they had to flush the loo with a bucket imagine the wailing and backlash that would occur. Our fathers mothers ect. fought for this country and these clowns are destroying the legacy but I feel not for much longer. You can only poke the beast so many times before it will bite.

  28. Refuse to pay. God supplied the rain, not the govt. The land owner dug the dam, not the govt.

  29. The government is overstepping it’s mark once again. Their urge to represent ‘OTHER’ corporate ‘persons’ is admirable but treasonous. When will they come clean and just come out and say “WE ARE GOD AND YOU WILL SUBMIT TO OUR DEMANDS”???
    If YOU voted for ANY of them YOU are the problem.

    • Common law needs FULL reinstatement across the nation as these so called ‘leaders’ are “unrepresentative swill” unless you count large multinational corporations.

  30. If the government state they own the rain that hits the ground, then make the bastards responsible for the damage and grief caused by drought and flood. Make them pay for your losses.

    • When will people wake up , The so-called Queensland Government have no power to do or say anything the thing to do is send a letter warning that they will be trespassing if they come onto your land that includes the drive way to your Home. Queensland is a rogue State No upper House no Crown authority and it’s run by The Mob, the same as the other States they have been taken over by the Mafia. .

  31. That is disgusting and unfair.

  32. These persons are playing the NEW WORLD ORDER playbook.
    Agenda 21. Look it up. You may be dazzled by its verbage or horrified by its actual connotations, depending on your comprehension of language. Some ‘persons’ are in control of EVERYTHING. You are supposed to be a mindless ‘pleb’ that is still arguing about any minor deviation among ‘people’ served up by mass media outlets that in the end is meaningless with the ‘powers being exerted upon you’ and your family, friends and the rest of society.
    Us against them……. That has been the new paradigm for over 50 years. WAKE UP FROM YOUR INERT POLITICAL SLUMBER. Or be ruled against your will, robbed like Mafia stooges and criminalised by our treasonous government so called ‘representatives’. I expect not much action from Cairns newspapers in reporting federal reserve being a ‘private owned corporation’ or that all BANKS ‘CREATE MONEY FROM THIN AIR’ every time they make a ‘LOAN’. They, as many others are afraid, afraid for their interests is the simplest term. They cannot risk attack from the oligarchy, or their actual owners. I feel bad for the people among you that ‘want’ clear and real journalism but can be ‘stifled’ by editors who know what it means to tow ‘the line’. Honesty in our corporate and business community has been so badly eroded that WE don’t believe a damn thing you/they say. Anyone agree with anything suggested here?

  33. Perhaps the farmer could charge the government a fee for holding that water that the government owns?

  34. Thomas Harrison

    The government need to pull their heads out of their asses and stop this bullshit there is a simple solution to the water problem its simple redirect the storm water from going to the ocean and build water pipes pumping water to the outback from all the major cities with purification stations along the way bringing water to the farmers and creating heaps of job opportunities at the same time stop hurting our farmers as they are the backbone of our once awesome country but we are loosing everyday . .

    • Well said Thomas. There is a problem called Rothschild Bank which is demanding governments pay back interest and redemption. The Marxist Qld Govt is trying all the Stalinist strategies to kill off farmers and small business.Ed

  35. Just another tax on our farmers by an inept corrupt Union controlled gov

  36. Ridiculous, soon they will own “Heatwaves”, that grows your crops. Bunch of thieves, rain comes from the skies, where it lands is up to nature not man and who ever receives this rain water is the owners of the rain. No fees should apply at all. Some people think they are “GOD”. What a JOKE!

    • How did these dictators get power ??? CORRECT … the people voted them there …. I will leave it up to you to workout how to remove them … Sub Editor

      • I tried to get my name struck off the electoral role by telling them that I won’t be party to political dishonesty by being held responsible for voting the mongrels into office by having to vote and was told by the AEC that that was not possible unless I died .

    • And the lord said smile and be happy, things could be worse. So I smiled and I was happy and behold things did get worse …. Sub Editor

  37. What a laugh, does this mean that the water landing on the ground that now belongs to the government is then claimed as a tax deduction on the amount evaporated ?

  38. Bloody ridiculous
    Dont consent write in affidavit of truth The Lord
    God gifted you the wayer from the heavens
    And you thanked him for his gift Amen
    The govt must rebut
    They cant rebut

  39. So, if they own the water as soon as it hots the ground, this makes them liable for flooding and damage caused by their property?

  40. Governments “own” nothing.

    This story is nothing new, It is the same old or a similar story.

    When will we learn?


    * Governments are elected by men and women (by citizens inhabiting a state) to properly “manage” the body-politic, the infrastructure and the resources of a state, for the Crown.

    * Nation states and all states within are an equal subject of the law that binds all under the Crown. (Of ‘persons’ and ‘legal persons’.)

    *All nation states or states are a legal person.

    * Departments of all states (that are managed by governments) are manned with men and women who are part of the body-politic. Under all nation states or states that answer to the Crown.

    * Men and women (as farmers on their own property) have an inherent (common law) Right to water that falls on their respective properties.

    * All men and women are sovereign of our own person.

    “We are blessed with abundant water during the wet season and we should be encouraging land owners to capture more water rather than the State Government persecuting them for using a natural resource.

    “It’s disgraceful situation that legislation is leading towards farmers having to install meters on their own dams on their own properties which will lead to them having to pay for their own water.”

    • Good one Ross. One only has to look at the High Court precedent established by J Isaacs, Commonwealth v NSW, HCA 1923 and we have the exact definition of land ownership held in fee simple which includes rainfall and soils. It is the common law of Australia yet each corporate state government has legislated against it. This precedent was again upheld by J Kirby in the Mabo decision. Until we drain the Canberra swamp there will be no change.Editor

  41. Generally speaking, it’s likely that you own the property underneath and around your house. Most property ownership law is based on the Latin doctrine, “For whoever owns the soil, it is theirs up to heaven and down to hell. So they can go to hell if they think they are taking our water so they can bugger off the bastards a government run by housewives all useless

  42. And I here by charge you 200% stupidity tax. 10% having to put up with your bulshit tax and a f…you you are our servants, but have forgotten levy. $10 000 per servant per day of stupidity. Further stupidity will result in being turkey slapped 24/7.

  43. Nathan Dunning

    Tell em they’re Dreamin!

  44. The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act-Section 100
    Nor abridge right to use water
    The Commonwealth shall not, by any law or regulation of trade or commerce, abridge the right of a State or of the residents therein to the reasonable use of the waters of rivers for conservation or irrigation.

  45. Robert C Coward

    The Australian Constitution Protects the Peoples Right to Water under Section 100 but only from River, It did not think a Government would claim it from other sources The masters want to turn WATER INTO A COMMODITY ITS ABOUT CONTROL
    The only way I can see to challenge Government claim to control water is to research the Preamble to the creating of Sec 100 of the Constitution. to see what the intention of the creators of the Constitution was

  46. Robert C Coward

    PREAMBLE and SEC 100 AU CONSTITUTION and Fee SIMPLE Govern Water Rights in Australia

  47. Christopher Campbell

    What a load of shit these government arsholes sit in their ivory spending our money on useless shit
    When are we going to stand together and get rid of these useless bastards

  48. Rediculous, the government should be ashamed of themselves. Capitalising on what is their fault, for not putting dams and catchments in place. Shame on you.

  49. Under the UK commonwealth law it belongs to the people of Australia not the government and trespassing on some ones private land is trespassing so how dose a thieving goverment claim wits on your propriety , it would be greAt to see how thay would fare in a QUEENS CORT WITH A JUDGE HO HAS SWORN ALEGENC TO THE QUEEN , ITS OVIES THIS FUCKED UP FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERMENTS ARE A LAW ON TO THEM SELVES AND NOT FOR THE PEOPLE HO PAY THEIR WAGES TO ADMINISTER FOR US , FOR THE GOOD OF AUSTRALIA NOT OVER SEAS POWERS WITH HOW MONEY , TALK A OUT TREASION THIS IS IT IN A NUT SHELL

  50. My 12G says you don’t. hahahahaha

  51. Not on my land they don’t. Just tell the control freaks their days are numbered. New government Anning Hanson Katter Palmer in the majority and a full tip out of deadwood restructure and shut down of unions and disconnect from the seat shining UN and redirect funding away from rubbish climate change to deal with reality is simple logic really

  52. Madeleine Cannon

    If thd gov ownd the water then they have to be liable for any damage it causrs – as on flooding. Sue them

  53. I would like to see their ownership license secondly if they think they can do this then the farmers need to charge these morons storage costs and that could be very expensive

  54. Brendon Wymarra

    Common Law? Aboriginal LORE! GOVERNMENT BULLSHIT! What next? The AIR we breath and you ass holes in government tell us we need to pay tax! ? Aboriginal LORE! Welcome to OUR COUNTRY! FREEDOM!

  55. If they own the free water from the sky then they can pay for the floods and cyclone damage as well when it falls from the sky

  56. Anthony murphy

    Ok, if those arseholes “own the water”, tell them you do t give them permission for it to fall n your property and you will charge them with interest on any and all rain that lands on your place. Maybe that will shut em up

  57. Wake up sheepole ! We are being ruled bye city slickers thats all in a bluddy system or a sceme ! Stand to gether ,make a difference or even raise to arms! The future of our children are at stake
    and so the rest of Australia! Focus more on important matters😠

  58. Brendon Wymarra

    What a pile of horse shit! The government claims ownership of everything. Well how about our rights under international law and our traditional lore? Our ownership of our Allodial Lands and Seas are well before the fraudulent government’s claims so please do yourselves the common courtesy and stop with the BS. Go protect the long list of pedophiles you the government are aware of whom are your foot soldiers in our communities causing problems, spying and reporting back to you. The truth is about to be dealt!

  59. We will need to charge the government for water storage,
    Cost of mowing our lawns after their water made it grow, any drainage or property damage caused by their water and roof repairs and damage caused by their water forcing its way into our house.
    My hourly rates for water storage is $500 an hour.
    If dont want to pay than dont deliver your water to my property or it will be seen as an agreement of contract.

  60. Gayelene Cocks

    What a croc . If I was the farmer I would be invoicing the government for storage costs of water on my land . Apart from the fact that they pay rates on land they own and most of the time have no infrastructure supplied. This rain comes from god as a gift and the government has no claim on it .

  61. Charge the government for the creation and upkeep of the dams and plumming. The charge them for the destruction of property eg errosion.
    With the caption at the bottom of the bill “Acceptance of service is acceptance of contract”.

  62. So does that mean we can sue them when there is a flood?

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